Can't wait to hear you wailing on that beast.
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Can't wait to hear you wailing on that beast.
Look fantastic Nige, well done bro. Nice eye for detail. The headstock does look very bird like which looks fantastic.Well done Pablo And Nige .
Awesome,awesome,awesome. And the Solid Body Guitar of the Year goes to....
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so good man, so good
It needs a black pickguard with black pickups and gold hardware! That will make it more stunning!
So it turns out I overlooked the fact when doing the initial mock-up that the neck on this kit has a terminal twist which has consequently made the setup of this instrument pretty much impossible. They say to check these kits before building, which is fair enough to a point but a fault such as this isn't exactly strikingly apparent until all the stings are on and you're already heading for the home straight. A total noob would never pick up such a fault until the very final stages of the build, but because he didn't pick up the issue at the onset, the blame falls squarely on him.
So once again I've thrown time and money and meticulous customization into a build, only to discover it's all been for naught and I've pretty much built an elaborate wall hanging.
Bugger, man... That sucks... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by bargeloobs
I know it would be a pain after all the customisation that has gone into the neck already, but couldn't you just get another one and go from there? People swap necks out on guitars all the time, so I don't see why it should be too much of an issue, besides having to redo all the shaping you've painstakingly slaved away at for hours.
As DB says "There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....". Hopefully you can get this build back on track, man.
It's a piece of piss if you're made of money. I had to sell yet another treasured guitar to fund this build (just like the last failure), so yeah, a new neck is no problem but I've got nothing to finish it with.Quote:
Originally Posted by west0288
But you are right, it does suck!
Yeah, man. Lack of funds is always an issue. I was a uni student for 4 years, I know your pain. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bargeloobs
Maybe get in touch with Adam about it? If it's a fault in the product PBG's Quality Guarantee should cover it. Plus, knowing him, he would be wanting to see this incredible build screaming some tunes just as much as the rest of us. All is not lost, mate - Stay positive. :)
Noooooooo! That's so ****** **! Sorry to hear that man.
Like West said - talk to Adam. I'm sure you can work something out. It would be a shame if it would become a wall piece.
Barge if the neck was faulty sure Ads will replace it. Send him an email as others have said.
Presume you are out of clear spray so you will have to save up for another can but all isn't lost. Will just take a bit longer.
Bummer man.
Not sure if there is a way to take the twist out of the neck, have a word with DB about it
Nige sorry to hear about your problems bro , but saw this the guy uses this method to remove back bow and twist from a neck
Give it a go it might mean you can save your great project . One guy uses a laser and spirit level to show degree of twist, clever idea.it also gives you a visual aid to show how much tension is needed to remove twist.
Hope it helps Nige
http://youtu.be/cfVePAgt1H8
http://youtu.be/1v5i8sEJ2LQ
I hope it works for you good luck.
Oh damn not again!!!! Barge you must be extremely unlucky with Strats! Hope Ads can send another neck... Would hate to see this axe not be played...
Aw nuts. This well and truly sucks. Don't give up just yet, my friend, where there's a will etc. etc.
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Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Look I can accept if I stuff something up, I'll admit it, I'll even laugh about it. I'll attempt to fix it or move on. But when I'm expected to reach into my pocket because of some other fools incompetence, I'm calling major bullshit on that.
@Pest "Barge you must be extremely unlucky with Strats"
"Luck", nope. A victim of really crap workmanship, most definitely!
So I took a look at Kim's vid link and thought there might have been a glimmer of hope.
Removed the neck, but upon closer inspection realized it may not be a twist at all. It actually appears like the fingerboard has had the twist sanded into it and appears to slope to the left, from about the 7th fret towards the nut.
The only fix I can see is de-fret and re radius the neck correctly.
Pic 1 - Really hard to see in the picture but the fingerboard slopes down and to the left from about the 7th fret
Pic 2 - With the strings off and looking back the other way......pretty self explanatory.
Pic 3 - Yes the fingerboard IS that far out
Time to start a scratchie
WTF does that even mean? Two PBG kits later and I'm out of pocket so deep it's not even funny. This is like a cruel joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickosaurus
Shit Barge that really sucks! I think what Nickosaurus meant (and correct me if I'm wrong Nick) is that with your level of skill and meticulous attention to detail these sort of things would never occur if you started a scratch build. Obviously funds are an issue, so that may not be viable in any way at this point in time though.
It's terrible to see this happen after all the work you've put into this build. As others have already said, I'm sure the PB team will be able to come up with a viable workaround. I really hope so because I would love to hear and see this guitar in action!
There's no reason why anyone should put up with these errors, be it a first time builder or a seasoned pro. The scale measurements of the first ST kit that I attempted are in a build diary for ALL to see, if I'm wrong tell me now and I'll accept that I f#cked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by crundes
Fact is I'm not wrong, and I forked out a lot of money to customize a kit that had fatal errors and was never compensated, nor did I request compensation.
Fast forward to this build, and a neck so poorly finished you would think it was made by a blind man.
I'll tell you all right now, there will be no workaround or compensation by PBG because I told Adam to shove his replacement, for the simple fact that he was unwilling to accept that his rubbish product has cost me more than just the cost of a kit.
If I was in WA, rest assured I'd be giving this kit back in person and the meeting wouldn't be a pleasant one.
This is the second threat against my person you've made it two days, Nigel. Pull your head in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bargeloobs
I have offered you a replacement neck, on your word that the neck is in fact unrepairable. By law I should at least receive the neck back so we can inspect it. I am not responsible for compensating you for the finish you've used, I don't think that is reasonable. If the neck is so bad it "looks like it was made by a blind man", then you should have picked that up in the mock build, if not the initial inspection.
For the record, if you'd been an adult about this from the start, instead of aggressively asking "what are you going to do about it?" I may have been more sympathetic and even considered a partial refund so you could buy some more finish. Instead you were overly aggressive and, quite frankly, rude in your emails. I don't respond well to being bullied.
If you're that unhappy with our product, please shop somewhere else.
Good luck.
I've made two threats against your person? I'm sorry if you got that impression Adam, I was merely speaking my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by adam
I'd be more than happy to publish my emails right here on this forum, and we'll just see how "aggressive , rude and bullying" I was.
Don't try and make this something it's not and turn it into a personal issue, I simply requested to be compensated for my financial loss, no more no less.
Irregardless of whether or not I picked up a problem with the product upon initial inspection is irrelevant, not to mention an unfair obligation on the purchaser. Maybe in the future you could ship laser levels and calipers with your kits, that way your customers could further point out the shortcomings of your incompetent manufactures.
I would have welcomed that the neck be sent back for inspection, but obviously this is made apparent after the fact you have absolved yourself of any responsibility or obligation.
Rest assured, I won't be shopping with Pitbull guitars in the future, but unfortunately it's cold comfort considering there was never a resolution on my behalf and you've walked away with my money and all I've walked away with is a sour taste in my mouth.
Thanks for nothing Adam, I hope you sleep well tonight.
Barge, the way I see it, you still should have stayed calm about the whole issue, and don't worry too much about the financial loss, there has been much worse than that happen all over the world.
If the fretboard is thicker on one side than the other, you could actually very carefully sand it down and get the radius back in the board.
Maybe you could make a little video tutorial and show me how to do that, then every would be cool aye!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by keloooe
All it needs is some VERY careful filing and maybe even a radius sanding block.... So right now it isn't totally dead... Can't really do a video, dont have a spare neck :P
It sounds really easy when you say it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by keloooe
would need to remove the frets for that idea to work and re-fret.
Be easier to take up the offer of a replacement neck
Shit I might have to send you this one, sounds like you could sort it out no worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by keloooe
There's no "replacement neck", trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Is it possible to account for the height difference by adjusting the bridge saddles so they slant with the direction of the fretboard. Looking at a couple of forums it seems like this is a very common occurrence even with store bought guitars (if I understand your problem correctly).
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/bad-dog-c...han-other.html
Both my PBG strat and tele necks have different fretboard heights on each side, they both taper down 1mm or so on the treble side. Have you compared this neck to your other builds or other guitars? Also my LTD les paul copy has this same height difference. It's not a particularly high end guitar but you would think that for close to a grand this sort of obvious difference would be picked up if it were a major issue.
OK, I have re read this thread and looked at the pics of the neck.
Certainly seems that the issue is that of the manufacturer, and the fretboard has been sanded skewed.
Can't tell if there is any actual neck warp other than this.
Personally this is a replacement neck job.
To fix the neck would be a defret and sand and refret. Simple to write, but not such a small job. Also the risk of tear out and mishaps.
Alternatively, replace the neck...
Barge, I hope that you and Adam can sort this amicably. There is no doubt this is frustrating in the extreme. And I can see why you are angry. But I'm sure Adam cant personally QC every piece of wood that comes in. Accordingly, Adam should be prepared to replace such an item.
I think both parties should step back, breathe, and choose their words carefully.
Barge you are down time, money and emotional commitment, you have a right to be upset, but hopefully not personal.
I think Adam is no more responsible for the faulty neck than you are for finding it.
I hope this gets worked out in a friendly , adult manner...
Well said Stan, I agree let's hope the neck,gets replaced and move on in a positive way guys .
I agree with everything you've said here Stan, the only person I was "blaming" was the manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan
The issue I have is the fact that I overlooked the bung neck at the start, and I freely admit that, but because I didn't catch the neck issue, the problem has somehow become my fault, does that seem fair??
If this was a one time deal I would have happily sucked it up, accepted the replacement neck offer and never looked back. Unfortunately this is the second kit in a row that I'd poured my heart and soul into only to find I'd wasted all that time, money and effort for naught, so one could possibly be forgiven for being a bit upset (and I am upset). My stubborn nature won't allow me to suck it up a second time, and I'm probably cutting off my nose to spite my face but I'm standing on principles.
I think this is a fault that in truth most people wouldn't of picked up.
Until the final setup, as it's hard to spot. It's certainly not something I've
Had on any of my kits . And on checking several of my own bought guitars,
They don't have it either. I haven't bought a kit in a while guys .Do the guitars
Come with a list of things to check pre build. If not may be a wise move in the future
especially for newbies and just to refresh our memories.
KB the kits come with a quick starters guide. like a double sided A3 sheet folded. It's fairly brief but covers the basics (I haven't read it for a while) and does talk about mock builds. Think it says to refer to video guides online as well.
Might pay to add in the starter guide in the mock build section to give the neck a once over and possibly put both E strings on (or outside strings of a bass kit) before you start the build to see if the necks are ok.
I think Barge must have walked under a ladder or broken a mirror, I've built probably close to 50 kits and never had such issues he's had
Just a simple things to check on your guitar upon opening the box. Not sure a newbie would know what a twisted or warped neck would look like . Or how about Builders welcome video going through the check over procedure.Then Everyone will know the steps to take.
Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong and certainly not wishing to add fuel to this fire but wasn't Barg's first ST problem self inflicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Personally I'd love to see an amicable ending here and this glorious and intriguing build completed
Nope. First one the bridge hole was positioned too far back.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave.king1
Yeah I knew that but I thought it was because of an aftermarket bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablopepper
I guess senility strikes again :D
pretty sure the supplied bridge also gave too far a distance between 12th fret and saddles.
Could have shaved off the neck heel a bit and/or re-routed the bridge hole a little more forward should have achieved intonation.
Nige I know you are a guy who plays a straight bat with these things and you simply say what is on your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by bargeloobs
I think I said it previously, maybe not as well, I think this one is a manufacturing fault and as such, regardless of the progress of the build, should be covered by Pitbull.
If I thought I could pull frets and not do further damage, I'd offer to re radius the fretboard and get it right for you (I think I could get the fretboard right, but I've never pulled frets...)