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Looks great Dave.. I think with those colors the easiest way to do the burst is with an airbrush or small detail spray gun and that is not for everyone. I love that color on the quilt and I wouldn't be upset with that at all.. isn't it such fun when you have all of these plans and think that it is going to work out only to find out that the guitar has a plan of its own.. I have learned that the hard way on my first build which is also a quilted tele..
Cheers
Exactly DD the guitar had plans of its own, just like music I guess
I've tried using DT in my airbrush kit, but it came out terrible, and I had an oily mist fill up my shed.
BTW, I think the CG looks fantastic!
Thanks for the CG comment and the other about the airbrush should go in the DT or finishing sub forum to make it easier to searchQuote:
Originally Posted by Zandit75
Done! Hopefully it helps others as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave.king1
I was thinking about this and if sprayed, it's not going to penetrate the wood - you aren't there with a cloth pushing it into the grain. So if (with the right thinning) you can get it to spray, it will just sit on top of the existing DT finish, rather like adding DT to wood that's been sanded to 2000 grit smoothness. You might then be able to spray a few layers of Tru-Oil on (rather than rub or brush), which might possibly hold it on, but there's a good chance that it won't take well over the sprayed DT and could peel off when you come to sand the Tru-Oil flat.
Yep, exactly this! It did not penetrate at all, and because it stays wet, it can easily run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Barden
I had done two applications of intensifier to the Dog and the BS was very patchy so I gave the back and sides a good sand with 1000 yesterday and applied a 3rd intensifier and its come up a treat.
Also put the first coat of clear DT neck finish on, a bit of a surprise when I poured it out and saw a faint purple colour
The BS has gone patchy again so not sure where to next.
See the Black Stump Weirdness thread in the Dingotone sub forum for a bit more info
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Just out of interest, what sort of temp and humidity have been around during application and drying? Any large changes in conditions?
I like your string thru holes:cool:
No changes, the weather has been kind for the last week or so and the temp in the shed is warmish and stable so FIIKQuote:
Originally Posted by WeirdBits
They were drilled with clenched buttocks, there was a certain degree of fear involved :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy40
I used the same technique drilling mine!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by dave.king1
Fortunately the neck hasn't fought anywhere near as hard as the body and it's come up a treat so very happy on that front.
For the body I still want that black burst on the top and solid on the back and sides so the Black Stump is getting sanded back and I'm planning to use black automotive acrylic which a spray test on a piece of pine has gone down quite nicely over the DT Coolangatta Gold.
I'll shoot the back and sides with a detail gun and use an airbrush for the burst.
The question I have is what to do about the final coat.
The CG stain and intensifier coats are done and curing, so from here I feel there are three options and would appreciate a recommendation/feedback from anyone who has gone down one of these paths.
1. Final coats of the CG before spraying the burst.
2. Shoot the burst and then do the final coat over the lot.
3. Ignore the final coat, shoot the burst and clear coat the lot with satin acrylic.
Off to the PB shop to order some Dingo Wax and some black neck & scratchplate screws because I plan to refresh The Count while I'm at it
Yep. Same procedure on my TLA-TH for the Hannes bridge. Thankfully a nice big recessed string anchor to cover the whoopsie on the G string.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave.king1
Hi Dave, best to wait for Andy to drop in as he has plenty of experience using DT with other stuff too.
From my limited experience I don't think DT top coats will go over acrylic but you could always test that theory on some scrap timber. Tend to think once you have acrylic on DT that you will have to keep going with acrylic to finish everything off. For me DT has been well behaved when coated with naughty oil and see no reason why it would react differently under acrylic.
Thanks Waz, my thoughts are to leave the CG where it is, shoot the black and the clear coat with acrylic cut and polish.
I was looking to see if someone had tried to put acrylic over DT final coat given that the stain and intensifier to my mind could suffer bleed that may be hard to correct.
I still have enough of the three CG components to do a proper test so that is where I think I need to go next
Here's a couple of pics of the neck, still have to do the wax and then the frets but it's fair to say I'm rather pleased with it so far.
I did scrape that bit of finish bleed after I took the pics
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Looks great. What are you using to seal the fret board with? DT Wax of Lemon Oil?
Cheers, Waz
DT wax Waz, I was in 3 or 4 minds and ordered it yesterday so should be here this week but the neck finish has only had a bit over a week curing so far so I will be leaving it for a bit and getting back onto the black part of the body
Cheers mate. Hope the wax works out ok as I have always coated maple boards with something.
The DT wax turned up the other week and I'm now waiting on the micro mesh pads which are apparently going to be delivered tomorrow.
In the waiting time the sides and back of the body have been sanded back, tithe top and binding masked off and the back and sides given a couple of coats of acrylic primer in prep for the black to come.
The DT Black Stump was a failure but that was down to operator error rather than product problems, some bits were very good and others not so.
Onwards and upwards, hopefully the body will now surrender and stop fighting
Almost sounds like a Monty Python sketch. Reminds me of the Holy Grail where the Knight has lost his arms but will still not surrender as he reckoned it was just a flesh wound......
http://youtu.be/dhRUe-gz690
I think the body has finally surrendered, a couple of coats and two coats of acrylic black and it's starting to look the goods.
One more coat tomorrow and then maybe I'll have a shot at the burst on the top around this time next week.
Experimentation will decide if I'm up for it because to top looks good without it but not the look I wanted from the start
Starting to get there but not without further drama, picked up the rattle can of clear, shook the sh1t out of it and fired off a blast into the air to make sure there was a fine spray.
Edited to add the binding is masked
Hit the back of the Dog with it and bugger me, it was a can of bright yellow with a clear cap, note to self, check the label every time.
Grabbed the black and coated over the yellow strip straight away and all is good, phew.
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Oh lord that could have gone pear shaped in a hurry! Good save Dave.
Mate, you would swear this build is cursed given some of the dramas you have had.
You know, I had exactly the same thought? You haven't crossed any Gipsy women recently have you Dave?Quote:
Originally Posted by wazkelly
I bet he probably played that song back in the early 1970's.
Gypsy by Uriah Heep, yep played that more than once or twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by wazkelly
Clear acrylic purchased, 1st coat will go on tomorrow
Damn this thing is stubborn, got a run in the clear coat today so will have to wait for it to dry totally sand back that area and redo the black & clear coats.
F#*K it
bugger DK. Doubt you will need to sand through the clear. Make sure it's fully cured. Careful sanding and you should be able to remove the run.
Yep, I'll give it a few days and then go back to the undercoat and bring it back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
As Murphy would dictate it's naturally in a most visible position on the top edge of what would be the top horn if it were a Strat or similar double cut.
Given that I have the new pups on the way for The Count I've taken the opportunity to pull the neck off it for a bit of TLC so have both it and the Tuff Dog neck to entertain me for a few days anyway so not wasted days.
I went over to my mates place yesterday for a coffee & BS session to review what we have recorded so far and came away with another 9 tracks to start laying down the backings for.
I feel your pain Dave my ES-5V is also a stubborn one to say the least... keep at it you'll get there in the end!Quote:
Originally Posted by dave.king1
wow DK you got plenty to go on with while the acrylic cures. I've been able to sand runs from the first clear coats pretty easily, just try not to sand through to the stain coats or take much stain off and it will be fine.
Maybe it's because you called it the tuff dog axe it's not cooperating ! haha
I hate runs. Whilst vertical spraying is easier, I do tend to spray the large surfaces when the body is horizontal. It slows you down, but runs are far less common as a result. Keep going Dave, you'll get there and it will all look great.
Feelin the angst. did exactly the same thing tonight. Took every ounce of effort not to touch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave.king1
I'll get there in the end I have no fear of that, I was hoping to get the clear on the back and sides sorted today so I could break out the airbrush over the weekend to do the black burst band on the top.
No harm done just a delay accompanied by a multi megaton burst of Tourettes