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    Mixing: Tips, Tricks and Techniques

    How do we achieve that "commercial" sounding mix?
    How do we get a big wide, transparent sound with tonnes of headroom, where every instrument occupies it's own space within the stereo field and appears crystal clear?
    How do we get sparkling highs, crisp mids and a clean powerful bottom end?

    Many are questions I'm still yet to figure out.
    Even though my mixes are night and day to what they were 15 years ago when I was recording on 8 track tape machines I still feel I have so much more to learn and I'm always keen to squeeze info out of others.

    Personally, I feel EQ is one of the most powerful tools when it comes to mixing your tracks.
    Get it wrong and you can quite easily destroy an otherwise reasonable recording, whereas subtle cuts and boost in just the right spots will work wonders on a mix.
    Where these cuts and boosts occur however is the 64 million dollar question and totally dependent on many factors.

    Here's two EQ tricks that I use every time I mix. One talks about mid/side processing and the others a quite detail description of using high pass filters.
    Many of you would know and employ these techniques, others may not be so familiar with them.

    If you've got any cool little tips that will help us achieve a better mix let's hear em'!!

    http://www.benvesco.com/blog/mixing/...h-pass-filter/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHTF-iKcJa8&safe=active
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    Hi Barge,

    While I am struggling to even comprehend a recording deck.
    I'd like to add something I have always used in IT.
    After nearly thirty years of working on real data where if you make an error you are in deep deep poosies.
    I did ten years playing with welfare databases yes your everloving Dole payments, if there is one thing I learned it was always make a copy of your masterfile first.
    If you do stuff up you can always recover back to your original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kells80aus View Post
    Hi Barge,

    While I am struggling to even comprehend a recording deck.
    I'd like to add something I have always used in IT.
    After nearly thirty years of working on real data where if you make an error you are in deep deep poosies.
    I did ten years playing with welfare databases yes your everloving Dole payments, if there is one thing I learned it was always make a copy of your masterfile first.
    If you do stuff up you can always recover back to your original.

    PK
    Right on PK, such an important thing that it's easily overlooked sometimes. Save save and save again.
    e.g -you just laid down the best solo of your life without a hope of ever replicating it, forgot to save after you'd finished and 5 minutes later you get a power cut... bye bye solo:-( ask me how I know this....

    I've got doubles of 95% of my project files sitting on an external, just in case.

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    Hi Kells and Barge , backup is so important thank goodness for auto backup but still feel safe making manual backups . In Ref to mixing I sure you've heard of Pensado .i enjoy this guys show so varied how producers work .http://www.pensadosplace.tv
    Last edited by kimball492; 16-02-2015 at 06:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimball492 View Post
    Hi Kells and Barge , backup is so important thank goodness for auto backup but still feel safe making manual backups . In Ref to mixing I sure you've heard of Pensado .i enjoy this guys show so varied how producers work .http://www.pensadosplace.tv
    Dave's a cool guy, and an unbelievable engineer. There's so much stuff to learn on his site but the stark reality is you'll never emulate 90% of what he's doing unless you're willing (or have the means) to spend LOTS of money on expensive plugins and rack gear.

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    Barge even top producers send there tracks after mixing to a guy that masters there work before its ever put out to cd format. It's there a lot of the magic happens . Just had this in my email check it out and give it a go

    When you slap a plugin on your mix, do you have a concrete reason? Is it really doing something for your tracks?

    An engineer says “The XYZ Compressor is the smoothest sounding compressor I’ve ever heard. I love it!” So we blindly go out and buy XYZ Compressor, insert it into a track and just assume it’s making our mix sound smoother. Whatever that means.

    Maybe it really is a great plugin. Maybe it’s not. How do you know?

    Is there a way you can definitively discover if a plugin is a good fit for you and your music? Is there a way to make sure you’re using it in the best way possible?




    Today I want to share a laughably simple 5 step process I use to get the absolute best out of my plugins. It’ll give you the clarity to say “Yes” or “No” to any plugin at any point, and the confidence to know each plugin you use is there for a reason.

    Step #1 – Listen In Default Mode
    The first thing you should do is simply listen to the plugin in default mode. I know it sounds obvious, but so often after inserting a plugin on a track we go hog wild and begin twisting knobs.

    Resist the urge.

    What we want to discover is what the plugin does for our tracks in the default setting, simply passing audio through.

    Does it add some sweet harmonics? Does it thicken up the bottom end? Does it mellow out the top end? Does widen the stere image? Or does it do absolutely nothing? (Which isn’t a bad thing by the way).

    Simply listen and methodically bypass the plugin (on and off) and take note of what you hear. There is much to learn about a plugin by hearing what it does to your audio all by itself.

    Step #2 – Try Some Presets
    On almost any plugin, trying a factory preset is an insightful exercise as it reveals what is possible with the plugin and what the manufacturer envisioned for its use.

    Many times you will discover a preset that is an instant fit and become one of your go-to sounds. I have some favorite factory presets for example on one of my buss compressors. They simply work.

    Most of the time you won’t get a perfectly useable preset, especially if it’s an EQ (almost pointless in my opinion) but you will still discover some cool things about the plugin. And knowledge is power.

    Step #3 – Push Buttons
    Did you know you can push buttons and tweak knobs on your plugin and nothing bad will happen?

    I say this sarcastically because all too often I hear people being afraid to mess with their plugins – thinking they could somehow ruin the mix. News flash, you can undo anything you like in a DAW!

    It’s wise to develop the healthy habit of fiddling when it comes to your plugins.

    Grab each knob and crank it as far as it will go. What did that do? Take a mental note. Rinse and repeat for each knob.

    This takes the concept of trying out presets to the next level. It allows you to know what is truly possible with your plugin.

    Much of the extreme settings will not be useable, but knowing how far you can push things and what happens when you do, is critical to getting the most out of your gear.

    Step #4 – Balance The Output Volume
    Except for perhaps a limiter, the goal of any plugin is never to simply make the track louder.

    This is an important point – when fiddling with a plugin (any plugin) if your settings add some gain to the track (which is invariably what happens) you will always think you are enhancing the sound. Humans think louder sounds better.

    The key is to locate the output knob or fader and turn the signal back down to the original input volume. (Or if you made the track quieter with the plugin, like with compressors, then turn the output back up.)

    This way, when you do Step #5 you can make an accurate assessment of whether the plugin is helping or hurting your track.

    All too often we skip this step and love how each plugin adds a bit of “something” to our track, when in reality that “something” is called gain, and you don’t need a plugin to turn up your mix a few dB.

    Step #5 – Bypass The Plugin
    If you have matched the output volume of the plugin to that of the input, then Step #5 will actually work.

    After playing around with the plugin and landing on some settings that sound good to you (and that’s what this is all about, isn’t it?) the final step is to simply playback the song and bypass the plugin. Turn it off and then on, and then off, etc.

    All you’re doing at this point is listening to see how (and if) the plugin changes the sound of your track. Is it better? Worse? Or does it not make any real difference?

    That last question is huge. I find myself adding plugins, tweaking sounds, matching the output level, and then bypassing the plugin all to find that I can’t tell a difference with the plugin on or off.

    If that happens, major clue to simply get rid of the plugin. It’s literally pointless in your mix.

    Putting Them All Together
    Wow – those were pretty simple steps, right? But they are so important. And in real life all five of those steps flow together pretty quickly and fluidly.

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    Recording my own stuff is all new to me. I've always gone to a studio. Whether that be a full fledged studio with all the bells and whistles or my latest recordings which were recorded all on a PC in an engineers bedroom.
    I've yet to be truly happy with any of it. It's either been dull and boring or severely over-produced. I actually have no clue how to even proceed with this but between some friends I have who do all their own recordings to what I have found on here I gonna make a go of it.
    And with my lack of funds it could take months just to get the basic gear I need. And having to create so many instruments digitally is going to take time. It's much easier to have someone else at the controls.
    Maybe I'll win the lottery and can pay someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimball492 View Post
    Barge even top producers send there tracks after mixing to a guy that masters there work before its ever put out to cd format. It's there a lot of the magic happens . Just had this in my email check it out and give it a go

    When you slap a plugin on your mix, do you have a concrete reason? Is it really doing something for your tracks?

    An engineer says “The XYZ Compressor is the smoothest sounding compressor I’ve ever heard. I love it!” So we blindly go out and buy XYZ Compressor, insert it into a track and just assume it’s making our mix sound smoother. Whatever that means.

    Maybe it really is a great plugin. Maybe it’s not. How do you know?

    Is there a way you can definitively discover if a plugin is a good fit for you and your music? Is there a way to make sure you’re using it in the best way possible?




    Today I want to share a laughably simple 5 step process I use to get the absolute best out of my plugins. It’ll give you the clarity to say “Yes” or “No” to any plugin at any point, and the confidence to know each plugin you use is there for a reason.

    Step #1 – Listen In Default Mode
    The first thing you should do is simply listen to the plugin in default mode. I know it sounds obvious, but so often after inserting a plugin on a track we go hog wild and begin twisting knobs.

    Resist the urge.

    What we want to discover is what the plugin does for our tracks in the default setting, simply passing audio through.

    Does it add some sweet harmonics? Does it thicken up the bottom end? Does it mellow out the top end? Does widen the stere image? Or does it do absolutely nothing? (Which isn’t a bad thing by the way).

    Simply listen and methodically bypass the plugin (on and off) and take note of what you hear. There is much to learn about a plugin by hearing what it does to your audio all by itself.

    Step #2 – Try Some Presets
    On almost any plugin, trying a factory preset is an insightful exercise as it reveals what is possible with the plugin and what the manufacturer envisioned for its use.

    Many times you will discover a preset that is an instant fit and become one of your go-to sounds. I have some favorite factory presets for example on one of my buss compressors. They simply work.

    Most of the time you won’t get a perfectly useable preset, especially if it’s an EQ (almost pointless in my opinion) but you will still discover some cool things about the plugin. And knowledge is power.

    Step #3 – Push Buttons
    Did you know you can push buttons and tweak knobs on your plugin and nothing bad will happen?

    I say this sarcastically because all too often I hear people being afraid to mess with their plugins – thinking they could somehow ruin the mix. News flash, you can undo anything you like in a DAW!

    It’s wise to develop the healthy habit of fiddling when it comes to your plugins.

    Grab each knob and crank it as far as it will go. What did that do? Take a mental note. Rinse and repeat for each knob.

    This takes the concept of trying out presets to the next level. It allows you to know what is truly possible with your plugin.

    Much of the extreme settings will not be useable, but knowing how far you can push things and what happens when you do, is critical to getting the most out of your gear.

    Step #4 – Balance The Output Volume
    Except for perhaps a limiter, the goal of any plugin is never to simply make the track louder.

    This is an important point – when fiddling with a plugin (any plugin) if your settings add some gain to the track (which is invariably what happens) you will always think you are enhancing the sound. Humans think louder sounds better.

    The key is to locate the output knob or fader and turn the signal back down to the original input volume. (Or if you made the track quieter with the plugin, like with compressors, then turn the output back up.)

    This way, when you do Step #5 you can make an accurate assessment of whether the plugin is helping or hurting your track.

    All too often we skip this step and love how each plugin adds a bit of “something” to our track, when in reality that “something” is called gain, and you don’t need a plugin to turn up your mix a few dB.

    Step #5 – Bypass The Plugin
    If you have matched the output volume of the plugin to that of the input, then Step #5 will actually work.

    After playing around with the plugin and landing on some settings that sound good to you (and that’s what this is all about, isn’t it?) the final step is to simply playback the song and bypass the plugin. Turn it off and then on, and then off, etc.

    All you’re doing at this point is listening to see how (and if) the plugin changes the sound of your track. Is it better? Worse? Or does it not make any real difference?

    That last question is huge. I find myself adding plugins, tweaking sounds, matching the output level, and then bypassing the plugin all to find that I can’t tell a difference with the plugin on or off.

    If that happens, major clue to simply get rid of the plugin. It’s literally pointless in your mix.

    Putting Them All Together
    Wow – those were pretty simple steps, right? But they are so important. And in real life all five of those steps flow together pretty quickly and fluidly.
    All goods points that make perfect sense but nothing really new (not to me anywho).
    While I definitely agree that a lot of "magic' occurs at that mastering stage, mastering WON"T fix a rubbish mix.

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    The point I was driving at is while I'd love to have a crack at some of Pensado's mixing techniques and have no doubt that there would be benefits, the simple fact is that most of the tools he's using are just too expensive for a lot of people (me included).
    At the end of the day the plugins he's using aren't just random bits of software he's road testing, these are tried and tested tools that he uses daily, they're his bread and butter, so there's no doubting they work or he wouldn't use them.
    Some might say, get the demo and see what sort of results you get, but there's no way I'm downloading a demo version of a $250 plugin that I know I'll never be able to buy.
    It's very similar to guitar building in that if you've got all the cool tools you can do anything, unfortunately all the cool toys cost shitloads:-(
    Last edited by bargeloobs; 17-02-2015 at 02:27 PM.

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    Like most things it's all about the tricks you know and I admit I Don't know a lot.
    When recording I always aim for the cleanest take of any instrument I can and then play with the effects and eq later. I also tend to keep the raw original track and only eq and add fx to copies. For example I might make 3 copies of a guitar track, eq 1 so it's all bottom end. Eq 2 so it's all top and put some fx on the third then play with volume and pan envelopes to mix the 3 together and bring out the parts I want to be dominant at certain parts of the track.
    Easy to do on most pc software nowadays, bit harder on the old 4 track I used to use (and still have lol)

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