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    A couple of other types of Power Valves that you might see in some guitar amps are the 5881, and 6550, I seem to remember seeing a set of six matched 6550 Valves used in a Bass Amp once, I think it was the venerable Ampeg SVT, or I could be mistaken, Marshall used 6550 Valves in their Marshall Major 200 Watt amps.

    One interesting observation is that, as guitar amplification evolved from the relatively low-powered models from the 1940, the Power Valves not only increased in power output, amp designers were using more of them in the power-amp sections of the amps, in the 40's most guitar amps used either a single Power Valve, or a couple of them, these early amps produced anywhere from 1 watt to about 5 or 10 watts at the most, during the 50's and 60's more powerful amps were designed and built due to the demands of guitarists wanting to be able to be heard clearly over the noise the drummer and crowds were making, Vox are a good example with their Vox AC15 and AC30 amps, the AC15 used two EL84 Valves to generate 15 watts of audio power, in response to requests for a more powerful amp, Dick Denney, who designed the AC15, designed the AC30 which used four EL84 Valves to generate 30 watts of audio power, the Vox AC30 circuit is much like the AC15 in other respects, the Vox AC30 was used by famous bands, like The Beatles, The Shadows, and The Rolling Stones to name a few, Queen's Brian May used a total of 18 Vox AC30 amps while on tour, the Vox AC30 has a very musical chiming sound to it.


    Another thing to mention is that in the early days when Rock music was evolving, bands didn't have access to the high-powered P.A. systems that we have today, so they had to use high-powered guitar amps to be able to be heard, as a consequence, or maybe because bands could be heard better, the music became louder and heavier, apparently loud music tends to generate feelings of excitement in humans.
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    great thread DrNo, good read

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    Great informative post Doc, especially as I'm about to embark on building a tube amp for the first time ever. I'm using a kit from Valve Heaven - the Lamington Junior that uses a 12V plugpack to minimise the risk of higher voltages that a rookie like me could encounter. Should be interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Great informative post Doc, especially as I'm about to embark on building a tube amp for the first time ever. I'm using a kit from Valve Heaven - the Lamington Junior that uses a 12V plugpack to minimise the risk of higher voltages that a rookie like me could encounter. Should be interesting...
    I've been thinking about doing similar and have looked at those amps. I don't understand how the 12V plugpack option really makes it any safer. Sure you don't directly need to connect anything to the mains, but the first thing in the circuit is a transformer to convert the 12VAC to 240VAC to bring the voltage back up to generate the +270VDC high tension supply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I've been thinking about doing similar and have looked at those amps. I don't understand how the 12V plugpack option really makes it any safer. Sure you don't directly need to connect anything to the mains, but the first thing in the circuit is a transformer to convert the 12VAC to 240VAC to bring the voltage back up to generate the +270VDC high tension supply...
    Good point Dan, not that I have any real understanding of these things! Have you seen the weekend courses that Grant at Valve Heaven runs? Two days, $500, kit supplied and supervision! He's based in Adelaide too these days. I used him years ago when he was in Sydney to service an SWR Baby Blue amp I have and he's a really good guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Good point Dan, not that I have any real understanding of these things! Have you seen the weekend courses that Grant at Valve Heaven runs? Two days, $500, kit supplied and supervision! He's based in Adelaide too these days. I used him years ago when he was in Sydney to service an SWR Baby Blue amp I have and he's a really good guy.
    I have seen that and been tempted... but I think I need to build a cab first before I get onto amps.

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    As a bonus, for those that are interested, here's the 5 watt single ended harmonica amp I made that I sold for $600.

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    (Cab dimensions based roughly on a Blues Junior.)
    first build PRS-1TS in progress...
    http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...ead.php?t=4937

    second build PRS-1Q in progress...
    http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...ead.php?t=4956

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzza View Post
    As a bonus, for those that are interested, here's the 5 watt single ended harmonica amp I made that I sold for $600.

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    (Cab dimensions based roughly on a Blues Junior.)


    That's a cool looking amp, perhaps that could be a good design template for the PBG guitar amp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNomis_44 View Post
    That's a cool looking amp, perhaps that could be a good design template for the PBG guitar amp.
    If you put it next to a Blues Junior, it's almost exactly the same height, width and depth. It just doesn't have the sloping front face - all sides are parallel.
    first build PRS-1TS in progress...
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    second build PRS-1Q in progress...
    http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...ead.php?t=4956

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzza View Post
    If you put it next to a Blues Junior, it's almost exactly the same height, width and depth. It just doesn't have the sloping front face - all sides are parallel.

    I think I remember hearing a Blues Junior Amp at some stage, they're great little amps, wouldn't mind owning, or building one.

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