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    Good point Wazz. Mordants are more about fixing dye so it won't wash out etc.

    As for colour retention vs oxidisation, that is a question we will have to wait for the answer for..

    Before I took to Luthiery full time, I was a Stonemason.
    I had a restoration job on a heritage building in Sydney and the mortar was a pinkish brown.
    Never saw that before in my life, I initially thought they had used a pink sand but on closer inspection I saw it wasn't the sand..
    Did my research (asked an old timer Stony) and discovered the mortar was probably stained with Ox blood!!!

    So off I go to the local slaughter yard and got a 20litre drum to run some tests.
    When fresh the mortar was pink, but over a few weeks it changed to the pinkish brown due to oxidisation so your question about colour fastness is a beauty

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    I wonder if there would be better success with a sliced whole Beetroot as opposed to canned or the juice from canned...
    Fully untainted then and you are using the pure juice, you could use a smaller beet cut in half and rub it in

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    Fabric dye results - Part 1 of 3

    I did 2 woods, marine ply and a hardwood in 2 colours, red and blue.
    This is the result of dyeing then sanding marine ply. I overlapped the colours to see how they would blend.Click image for larger version. 

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    Nothing exciting. The wood does not like to take stain.
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    Sanding did not improve the look.

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    Plywood seems to be a denser timber, as its manufactured for strength, which will make it less receptive to dyes. It still gives an idea on colour, though.
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    Fabric dye results - Part 2 of 3

    Here is the hardwood. It has a few remnants of black and red ink after I sanded it. Most of the ink, a previous attempt at staining, disappeared. The dark is shadows, it was late afternoon.
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    Here is the wood dyed red
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    This is after sanding back vigorously this morning. I wanted to make sure it was not just a film on the surface like most of the ink had been.
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    And finally what is looks like wetted
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    Much better than the ply. You need some grain to hold the colour.

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    Fabric dye results - Part 3 of 3

    Last version was blue on hardwood.
    When I first dyed it late last night it looked black. I was thinking OMG I have gone too far. Dried lighter.
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    After sanding the grain reappeared.
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    It looked good wet
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    Just to show there was a chemical reaction between the dye and the wood here is a picture as the water was drying. You can see the colour is across the full piece of wood even after sanding.
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    I guess if I went over the top of the blue with a red dye I would get grades of red and purple.
    The dye I used is Tulip tie-dye. You can get it at Spotlight (expensive) or Riot Art and Craft (cheaper when I bought it in December). And just so you don't die wondering here is 1 of the 10 t-shirts I did. Shibori method.
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    really interesting to see those results, and how well it soaks in.
    shirt looks cool!

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    cool tests you have done Open Gman !

    the shirt does look cool and some interesting colours you got !
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    As it happens SWMBO was cooking some beetroot from our garden as I read this thread.

    What else is a guy to do?

    I grabbed a piece of pine and the scraps bucket.

    I gave the pine a very quick sand, just to key the surface.

    I simply rubbed discarded pieces of the boiled beetroot onto the pine (and scrapped off the vegetable matter that stuck to the rough surface).

    The images were taken a few minutes after, as a control:

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    Col.

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    Hi Col, can you post a photo after it has been left to oxidise for say a week or two as I suspect it will go slightly browner over time unless cured somehow.

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