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    Quote Originally Posted by wokkaboy View Post
    WOW Jrod the rep said "fret buzz is normal", sounds like a dodgy rep !
    Yes I agree Wokks , but more disappointing that a guitar with that kind of price tag even had that amount. Different temperature changes could allow for a little set up needs but it really was more than I would expect.

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    I hear you, Jrod.
    The problems are many.
    To begin with, they are mass produced in China by folk who are peice workers struggling to feed their families. Not Luthiers.
    They drown the instruments in whatever the gunk is to try and hide the imperfections.
    Then they send them by the container load to the USA where they bolt the neck on, slap on el cheapo hardware (again, mass produced in China) and then because the USA has stupid laws around manufacturing they stick a made in USA stamp on it.
    None of this work is done by Luthiers, if it was there would be no setup problems with frets, action etc...

    They proudly jump up and down saying look at these great Guitars we make here in the States and whack a stupidly high price tag on them.

    As for the custom shop, well... They charge exhorbitant prices just to keep a handfull of real Luthiers employed.
    Mind you, the bodies are still made in PRC and the necks I am lead to believe are Mitey Mite necks....

    This is just one of many "made in USA" products out there being sold to the unwitting buyer.
    The list is long, and it is sad that all these once great US products have been dumbed down in quality just so the big corporations can make more money.

    They are treating the customer with contempt and they should be ashamed.

    There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....

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    All in All I have to agree with the wild Australian Dog (DB). The quality under all glitz and glamour was ordinary. Pick out the most fancy wrapped chocolate from the box, once you have unwrapped it and thrown the wrapper in the bin your just left with the same chocolate as the plain wrapper.

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    Quality is the key word, Jrod.

    I had Adams '76 TC on my workbench a while back to put some new pickups in.
    The qualty of this made by a real Luthier vs todays made by a sweatshop slave is incomparable.
    The '76 had all the hallmarks of a craftsman who knew what he was doing and loved his profession.
    You cant get better than that.

    Thats why I made the comment the otherday re I would have one of your Nebbies before I would have a F or G.
    Sure, you use a CNC but it is all to do with the care, passion and knowing how to build a quality axe that makes the difference between a chunk of wood with strings and a Guitar.......

    There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    I hear you, Jrod.
    The problems are many.
    To begin with, they are mass produced in China by folk who are peice workers struggling to feed their families. Not Luthiers.
    They drown the instruments in whatever the gunk is to try and hide the imperfections.
    Then they send them by the container load to the USA where they bolt the neck on, slap on el cheapo hardware (again, mass produced in China) and then because the USA has stupid laws around manufacturing they stick a made in USA stamp on it.
    None of this work is done by Luthiers, if it was there would be no setup problems with frets, action etc...

    They proudly jump up and down saying look at these great Guitars we make here in the States and whack a stupidly high price tag on them.

    As for the custom shop, well... They charge exhorbitant prices just to keep a handfull of real Luthiers employed.
    Mind you, the bodies are still made in PRC and the necks I am lead to believe are Mitey Mite necks....

    This is just one of many "made in USA" products out there being sold to the unwitting buyer.
    The list is long, and it is sad that all these once great US products have been dumbed down in quality just so the big corporations can make more money.

    They are treating the customer with contempt and they should be ashamed.
    My belief is that PRS are still manufactured by the said country of origin after watching a documentation on them. Designed by experts and machined by professionals . They have there own Lab and employ scientists to constantly improve there finishes using many combinations for tone / durability / and of cause that well known thin gloss that has dive in and take a swim written all over it
    They actually use an acrylic based formula on the back of the guitar and a nitro based formula on the front and have proven that although an expensive way to produce it pushes the tone through the front of the guitar (go figure). I also played the PRS custom at the store and quite frankly it blew my mind. Perfect in every way possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    Quality is the key word, Jrod.

    I had Adams '76 TC on my workbench a while back to put some new pickups in.
    The qualty of this made by a real Luthier vs todays made by a sweatshop slave is incomparable.
    The '76 had all the hallmarks of a craftsman who knew what he was doing and loved his profession.
    You cant get better than that.

    Thats why I made the comment the otherday re I would have one of your Nebbies before I would have a F or G.
    Sure, you use a CNC but it is all to do with the care, passion and knowing how to build a quality axe that makes the difference between a chunk of wood with strings and a Guitar.......
    An old Fender is most certainly a thing of beauty. Sounds stupid but I believe your right!!!!! you can feel a guitar that has been made with someone who loved making it.

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    PRC= Peoples Republic of China

    Pretty sure Paul Reid Smith are still made in the USA, as are Riccies??

    There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....

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    Yer I didn't want to say USA don't want the yanks to feel good they got it right lol.....

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    Actually Jarrod some PRS Guitars are made by World Guitars Korea. As are some of Perrys,Rob Chapmans,Fenders,Gibsons,Esp,Music Man, Vigier and Kramer. World guitars are known for making the better quality ones,it's a family business and staff are well looked after. But yep strange how companies can put made in the USA on a product.
    Check the video out http://youtu.be/OZhAzVo6mX8

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    PRC= Peoples Republic of China

    Pretty sure Paul Reid Smith are still made in the USA, as are Riccies??

    PRS actually get some of their range of guitars, the SE series, made overseas in in Korea, I know because I happen to own a PRS SE Custom 24 Cherry Red guitar, made in Korea.

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