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    Rebirth - ES12 to ES-1

    So Christmas 2017 I got an ES-12G, build diary here;

    http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...ead.php?t=8175

    Spent a fair bit upgrading everything including more than was sensible on a set of Seth Lover PAFs.

    What I have found over the last 6 months or so is the 12 string isn't really working for me, I had always planned on building an ES, but I wouldn't has bought myself the 12 string. So what to do, convert it to a six string.

    Adam can get me a new neck, but not till the May/June shipment so plan at the moment is

    1. Remove neck (scary), Youtubes not a lot of help.
    2. Cut down headstock
    3. Dowel and re-drill tuner holes
    4. Refinsh neck
    5. Refit

    and there we have it a guitar I should play more.

    First step.

    Take one perfectly good guitar

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    Start to strip it down

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    Get out the ozito heat gun, and give the body some protection fro the heat

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    Volia

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    2 pieces, body still all good

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    Onto step 2.
    Last edited by Rossc0; 09-02-2019 at 12:18 PM.
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    Overlord of Music Sonic Mountain's Avatar
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    Nice one, looks like it came off pretty cleanly.
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    Yes it did, just need to clean up the glue residue, and then see how it seat, make sure nothing funky has happened.
    #1 LP1-SS
    #2 Non PB Vintage Strat Rebuild
    #3 TL1 - Custom
    #4 ES-12G (now converted to ES-1)
    #5 RC4
    #6 STA-1HT
    #7 Non PB 52 Tele replica
    #8 Coming Soon: 1970's Japanese Les Paul Special Resto.

    It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

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    There is some awesome skill work going on here.

    For posterity Rossc0:

    - The heat gun, was this a temperature adjustable model? Was sort of temp setting did you use?
    - Did you direct the heat flow straight at the joint or across the top of the board?
    - How long did you heat for?
    - Did you pull up or wiggle the neck joint at all to release?
    - Did you have to employ any other tools (Spatula, putty knife etc) to assist releasing the joint?

    Cheers mate, inquiring Igors wish to know!
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    Thanks Frankie,

    - Yes, it was adjustable, but just a cheepie Ozito from bunnings, it comes with a variety of nozzles one of which is fairly small and focused, I had it set about the middle of the range. I could hold my hand about a foot in front of it without too much trouble.
    -I concentrated the heat on the tongue to start with, when I could wiggle the neck and see some movement there I then tried to direct it back up the joints on either side of the neck,
    -It probably took me 20 mins, suppose depends on how much glue you have used initially
    -There was lots of wiggling, at one point I applied a bit of pressure with a clamp, guitar upside down and clamp on heal of neck pulling down to a foxed point.
    - No other tools

    There is a bit of splintering inside the body, a few small pieces have come out attached to the neck joint, but not a lot, and nothing that will cause any structural issues.

    Cheers
    #1 LP1-SS
    #2 Non PB Vintage Strat Rebuild
    #3 TL1 - Custom
    #4 ES-12G (now converted to ES-1)
    #5 RC4
    #6 STA-1HT
    #7 Non PB 52 Tele replica
    #8 Coming Soon: 1970's Japanese Les Paul Special Resto.

    It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossc0 View Post
    Thanks Frankie,

    - Yes, it was adjustable, but just a cheepie Ozito from bunnings, it comes with a variety of nozzles one of which is fairly small and focused, I had it set about the middle of the range. I could hold my hand about a foot in front of it without too much trouble.
    -I concentrated the heat on the tongue to start with, when I could wiggle the neck and see some movement there I then tried to direct it back up the joints on either side of the neck,
    -It probably took me 20 mins, suppose depends on how much glue you have used initially
    -There was lots of wiggling, at one point I applied a bit of pressure with a clamp, guitar upside down and clamp on heal of neck pulling down to a foxed point.
    - No other tools

    There is a bit of splintering inside the body, a few small pieces have come out attached to the neck joint, but not a lot, and nothing that will cause any structural issues.

    Cheers
    Thanks mate, that is all valuable information to have.
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    Now the necks out down to work. Haven't done the dowelling and re drilling bit before, but I know I have the fall back of ordering a new neck if I stuff up, just need to wait till May for it.

    Dowels in and glued

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    24hrs later, starting to tidy up

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    Headstock shape roughed out

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    #1 LP1-SS
    #2 Non PB Vintage Strat Rebuild
    #3 TL1 - Custom
    #4 ES-12G (now converted to ES-1)
    #5 RC4
    #6 STA-1HT
    #7 Non PB 52 Tele replica
    #8 Coming Soon: 1970's Japanese Les Paul Special Resto.

    It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

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    the power of tooth picks, original screw wholes filled and sanded back with 60 grit to start and even out the dowels

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    Pilot holes for the new tuners, will drill out once I have them to ensure I get the right size, probably be something like

    https://www.realparts.com.au/tuning-...ckel-4308.html

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    Will hand finish the headstock shape to get the open book as best I can, then sand up to 320 probably.

    Interesting fact: Finished this build originally in June. Sanding the black of the headstock, it still wasn't fully cured underneath. gummed up everything. Obvioulsy my painting technique leaves a lot to be desired.
    #1 LP1-SS
    #2 Non PB Vintage Strat Rebuild
    #3 TL1 - Custom
    #4 ES-12G (now converted to ES-1)
    #5 RC4
    #6 STA-1HT
    #7 Non PB 52 Tele replica
    #8 Coming Soon: 1970's Japanese Les Paul Special Resto.

    It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

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    If any of the doweling requires filling, I would not use Timbermate.
    Under paint it will shrink.

    cheers, Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king casey View Post
    If any of the doweling requires filling, I would not use Timbermate.
    Under paint it will shrink.

    cheers, Mark.
    What do you suggest KC?

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