LP jr - JohnH's #5

[wazkelly]

From personal experience Timbermate seems to react and cause issues if stain is water based.
With using TO as a top coat it is a good idea to do some experiments on scrap timber to see how much it changes the intended colour.
Also need to bear in mind that it seems to continue 'ageing' and thus darkening in colour over time. Very hard to get blue shades looking just right when using the stuff.


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[JohnH]

How about sanding sealer over timbermate?

Yeah, that might be worth trying, though I still think I'll explore some other grain fillers.

From personal experience Timbermate seems to react and cause issues if stain is water based.
With using TO as a top coat it is a good idea to do some experiments on scrap timber to see how much it changes the intended colour.
Also need to bear in mind that it seems to continue 'ageing' and thus darkening in colour over time. Very hard to get blue shades looking just right when using the stuff.

Ahhh, yep. Now you mention it, water based stain is the common denominator for the times it didn't work. Can't believe it didn't occur to me. What grain filler do you normally use when using water based stains?

[wazkelly]

Ahhh, yep. Now you mention it, water based stain is the common denominator for the times it didn't work. Can't believe it didn't occur to me. What grain filler do you normally use when using water based stains?

Unfortunately Timbermate and try not to apply water based stain too moist otherwise it rehydrates filler and can cause some initial swelling then shrink back as it dries out.

On recent ES1 build the back was a right proper PIA as the timber had a weird stringy grain texture. I used natural timber mate a few times between stain coats as that takes on the colour being laid down.

I tend to get things as good as you can and then use multiple coats of TO as the alternative filler and actually prefer this look even if it does take a lot more top coats. Ends up looking like timber encased in glass if you persist long enough.