Thanks Doc, posting voltages would be a great help.

I've checked all the voltages and they seem okay, but that doesn't mean they are correct. Both the B-E voltages are at a fraction under 0.3V, however the collector voltages indicate either saturated or cut-off. With these transistors I might have t try a resistance wheel to Q1 base to find the right value to get Q2 collector at 4.5V