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I am building a scratch build using pit bull and real parts to get my hardware, I was just wondering if it’s possible to wire two tele style pickups to a 2-way mini toggle switch (on-on) just need a yes or no answer.
P.S A diagram would be nice but it’s ok you can’t find me one.
Just to confirm, you want just two positions, so that it's either the neck or the bridge that's on, but not both at the same time?
yeah, pretty much, an on-on-on mini switch is also an option, it's just a bit more expensive.
For all intents and purposes, a standard 3-way tele switch is an on-on-on switch. What am I missing?Quote:
yeah, pretty much, an on-on-on mini switch is also an option, it's just a bit more expensive.
https://www.realparts.com.au/electro...ch-chrome.html
A mini switch is like a smaller version of a standard Gibson style switch, I just prefer the feel of the mini switch over the tele, but I love the twangy sound of a tele, that's why i'm asking the question.
Assuming you want an up/down switch position, with down being bridge and up being neck, then you'd wire it like this:
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With the pickup ground wires going to the back of the volume or tone pot. DPDT on-on-on switches come in two types, but it doesn't matter which one you have for this application. Just strip the pickup signal wires and the wire to the volume pot back enough so that you can solder across both sets of terminals. Otherwise everything else will be standard Tele wiring.
Obviously you'll need to get a blank control plate so you can drill the holes yourself in the positions you want. You may want to consider a 'volume, switch, tone' arrangement for best control accessibility rather than the standard 'switch, volume, tone' arrangement.
Note: wire colours used above are just for clarity and are not meant to be the actual pickup wire colours.
Thank you so much this has been really helpful, and for the arrangement I was actually gonna do something like a late 50s fender duo sonic,
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I used those mini switches on my ESB-4, but I got them from a general electronic parts store rather than a guitar shop, often cheaper that way. I liked the look of the levers on those against the more common round ones.
Parts are hard to get and expensive here in Australia, the thing you’re looking for is usually cheaper online.
Jim was just saying to have a look at some online electronics shops, rather than a guitar parts seller like Realparts. Realparts are great for some things, but you should be able to get basic electrical/electronic components like that DPDT switch for less if you look elsewhere.
Like here for example
on-on-on mini toggle
or this one
click link
Any recommendations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Barden
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Did you you see my posy from 8:16 this morning?
Yeah sorry, my internet wasn’t running too well and it posted when it fixed itself.
Though you may prefer the flat toggle look and feel of the original for a pickup selector. RS do one https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/toggl...d%22%3Atrue%7D
Though it's less than half that price in the UK!
But a more expensive one with more fixing washers and nuts might end up being better value in the end.
I bought some at Jaycar that were well priced and do the job.
That’s an on off on switch, what does that mean in terms of pickup selection?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Barden
Also, I had a look at jaycar and they had an on-on switch, will that work with the diagram that was posted on the first page?
Sorry about that! Was looking more at the DPDT thing and the flat handle than the switch configuration.
ON-ON is two position, so you won't have the mixed position available, just neck or bridge.
Loads of cheap mini DPDT on-on-on switches available, but almost all have round toggles.
The two I linked are indeed on-on-on (3-way) switches.
Very reasonably priced IMO, and even with postage, probably cheaper than the Realparts one. The one caveat is no flat lever.
FTR I buy heaps from Realparts and they have great products & service, but I tend to order multiple items in one go to take advantage of their shipping discounts. However, little one-off items can get expensive with the flat-rate $7.90 postage. It comes down to "is it worth it to you?"
Well, I didn’t know about the postage thing on real parts but i’m buying most of my hardware from them anyway.
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/toggle-switches/0394419/
Found this, which is exactly what i’m looking for, just wondering if this still relates to the original diagram you sent me.
That's an on-on switch, not on-on-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bit Confused
Simon's diagram is for on-on-on.
Simon's drawing will do nicely for on/on too. Strictly you only need to wire one half, but both is fine too. Just ignore the bits of the diagram showing other switch combinations.
An interesting variation would be to have separate volume controls for each pickup.
A 2-position switch won't do the same job as a 3-position switch! The diagram works, but you don't get the 'both pickups in parallel' position.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimC
I just can’t seem to find what i’m looking for in the on-on-on configuration.
Not with a flat toggle.
So having the flat toggle lever is imperative?Quote:
I just can’t seem to find what i’m looking for in the on-on-on configuration.
If that's the case, I'd just pony up and buy the $20 dollar one from Realparts. ($27.80 w/ postage)
At least you'll get what you want.
Weird you can't easily get a flat toggle on-on-on switch, but at least you canget one at a price (though there must be a supplier somewhere who does one and supplies Realparts/Allparts).
how about this?
https://au.element14.com/e-switch/10...nel/dp/2696659
Looks good, thought you may need some extra 1/4" nuts and washers.
I just did a "check-out" with that switch, that price is excluding GST, and is $15 shipping!
Often the way, the big wholesalers arent geared up for small orders. You just have to look at the bottom line. If you don't need a bunch of stuff the specialist may work out cheaper.
Hi mate, consider a blend pot. But as far as parts here in Australia. Try Australian luthier supplies.
They are fantastic to deal with. I'm in remote Tassie and you can't get squat here. So I use them all the time. P.S Seymour Duncan wiring site will answer any wiring questions.
Yeah, I'm in rural NSW and it's hard to find anything here, Also, how does a blend pot work (I'm pretty new to these things, all the guitars I own are pretty strait-forward controls)
A blend pot has two stacked potentiometers on a common shaft, one working the opposite way to the other. So you attach the output of one pickup to one of the sets of contacts and the other pickup to the other (but with contacts reversed). the pot outputs are commoned up. So you go from one end of the pot (all pickup 1) to midway (equal pickup 1 + 2) to the other end (all pickup 2).
It's something that you see on bass guitars, but personally it's not something I'd use on an electric guitar as that mid-position will be a lot quieter than the mixed position on a selector switch, as both signals will be around 6dB down due to the pot taper (roughly half the volume). You can simulate this on a standard guitar by switching to the mixed position and turning the volume knob to 5. It's also going to take you a bit longer to go from full neck to full bridge pickup (and vice-versa). Volume drops could be mitigated by always using a compressor, but that's going to have an affect on the way the guitar sounds that you may or may not find appropriate.
The benefits are that you can get a range of tones from blending the pickups that simply aren't available with 3-way switching on a 2-pickup guitar.
After all this, it seems that what I want really isn’t that simple, I haven’t ordered anything yet, do you think It would be easier just to rethink how I’m setting it out.