Looking great, Andy.
In the picture of the front of your headstock it looks like you have the string retainer holes drilled. What distance should these be from the nut or does it really matter?
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Looking great, Andy.
In the picture of the front of your headstock it looks like you have the string retainer holes drilled. What distance should these be from the nut or does it really matter?
Hi Peter,
I marked where the string trees were going to go when i had the strings attached peter. The string tree for the D and G string goes in line with 1/2 way between the tuners for the E and A strings and the string tree for the B and e strings goes in line with mid way between the tuners for the A and D strings.
Update
Body and neck sanded wet and dry 2000 grit.
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Last intensifier coat applied to the body (with beer)
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See you in another week!
Looking better and better with each passing week.
cheers,
Gav.
You gotta love public holidays.
Headstock decals applied.
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Great finish on this Andy, nice satin sheen
Finals!
Ok happy with how the last intensifying coat has dried
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Wet sanded lightly with the grain with 2000 grit to smooth out any bumps/hairs/moths etc
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Dingo tone final body coat number 1 applied
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See you again in a week or so:cool:
Nice and chocolate looking colour you have got there Andy or is that just the lighting playing tricks and making me hungry for something sweet & sugary?
I think you're right Waz. but it is a very rich colour. Slight further update. It seems that i've fallen afoul of putting way too much finish coat on. The neck finish coats are a bit more forgiving. I'll post an update once it cures.Quote:
Originally Posted by wazkelly
Ahhh........the dreaded DT curse strikes yet again.
Always bit me on about the 4th to 5th intensifier coat when I was just a tad too greedy chasing the holy grail of all finishes.
Yeah....i think i'm at that point about now.....Quote:
Originally Posted by wazkelly
Be very, very careful as it does not take much to stuff things up.
Putting too much DT Finish on
Meet what happens when greed and inexperience have a baby.
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Yup too much DT final coat.
It was difficult to sand back as you inevitably take off some stain. I sanded back with 600 grit then 1200 grit.
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Its heartbreaking, frustrating and saddening. buuuuut the punishment kinda fits the crime.
Re-stain
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Lookin' pretty good after about a day already. I'll probs do another intensifier coat before starting the finals again.
Final Neck Coat
In contrast the neck coats have been going along well. I think because they harden more, they are a bit more forgiving if you apply too much and need to sand it back.
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That will make it two thin neck coats with 2000 grit in between over the decals. I'll see how this one hardens but i think it will be the last one. if so I'll probs leave for 21 days or month and then cut and polish. If not I'll just put one more thin coat over the headstock face and back only as the neck is pretty much perfect:)
Been there, done that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy40
All too often it is heading in the right direction then disaster strikes and wonder whether you are you still a DT Disciple given this latest set back?
lol @ DT Diciple. I can say in the hour or so it took me to carefully sand it off I was contemplating other finishes. but i've decided to forge ahead. I think i've had problems with all finishes I've tried anyway and I didn't find tru-oil that forgiving for me.
This problem really had nothing to do with drying times or humidity or the product, just my own fault. I knew the consequences, as people have said countless times. the problem is "thin" coats is a subjective term.
I think i understand what a "thin" coat means now. but we will see.
I think I may have developed a way to apply it evenly all over without putting too much on. I tested this method on the neck and with the stain coat and both have dried evenly and quickly. I'll test it again with one intensifying coat then i'll move to the finish coat again. If I make it I'll do a tutorial, if I don't, I suspect, I'll just try again...
Besides Waz...what else am I going to do with all that DT finish I've got now? ;)
...and I'm addicted to the aroma....I need my weekly fix:p
Nice recovery Andy, I think I would have lost my Sh@$t !
A couple of builds ago I would have J.P (like a chimpanzee in a china shop), but the biggest skill that I've learned in building PBG guitars is patience and a multitude of methods in order to go away and come back level headed. (without going back to the ciggies)Quote:
Originally Posted by J.P
Its funny, of all the skills I thought I'd teach myself, I did not think of patience as the key :confused:
good fix Andy, you are learning that patience pays off grasshopper !
its coming along well and looking good by the way.
When I see your build it gets me motivated to work on my baritone tele
Can't throw out all that precious DT as I know how much you have probably spent.
Amazing how 3 of us within 150km's of each other have had similar experiences with the stuff and agree that once the layers build up or get too thick the $#%t hits the fan so to speak.
Only thing I can suggest is limiting it to 3 coats of each and just be thankful with the colour achieved or risk the chances of stuffing things up. Each time I went 'just one more coat' it ended up being one too many.
Kudos for your perseverance and patience and hope you have saved enough of the finish to work with and achieve a result you are ultimately happy with.
Same here, my patience levels have increased dramatically since building guitars. My last 'trying moment' was with Tru Oil finish on LP-Jnr. It decided to go patchy on me during wet sanding. Required a full sand back and re-stain....Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy40
Bummer....... Acknowledge TO does come with it's own unique set of problems too. Impatience seems to be a common denominator in most of theses finish dramas.
One intensifying coat applied using new technique to create an even and thin finish.
Pretty happy with how its dried. Probs ready for my second finish attempt using new technique on the weekend.
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Looking good Andy and the colour is just awesome
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Final Coat (again)
Alright....moment of truth.
Intensifying coat cured quite well with new technique.
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Wet sanded lightly with 2000 grit in direction of grain to smooth out bumps, wipe of sanding crud.
N E R V O U S L Y applied DT final coat again using new thin coat technique...
over 12 hours later...lookin pretty spesh!
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nice one Andy looks like you nailed it. Don't drop the axe again !!
Nice save Andy. I think your build is look even better as a result. Man she's gonna be sweet.
cheers,
Gav.
Just to show that it wasn't a fluke......first coat sanded to 2000 wet and second coat of DT finish applied and dried....noice!
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Think i got the technique nailed......lets see with the third coat. I'll apply when cured
Looking nice Andy!
Fingers crossed you have got it nailed.
Yep mate....I think i got it nailed.
Nice save 😊
I have been sanding between coats with 320, but after seeing what you have achieved I am thinking I might revisit that..
Consider your technique stolen..
Also intrigued as to your application method, pray do tell.....
Glad to see you have embraced the thin coat mantra... I got a bit carried away the other day and applied a finish coat too thick and encountered the dreaded streak and gummy bitz, you would think that I would know better 😖
Glad to have piqued your interest DB.
With the wet sanding, I found that 2000 grit got rid of any minor lumpies without taking too much of thin coat off. sometimes if i had a drip, i'd bring out the 1200, or even 600 in spots only if necessary. That worked well with the intensifying coats as well as the final coats.
OK, so its not rocket science but I found that the only way I could evenly apply the thin finish was the following method (and I guarantee you cannot apply too much)
bear in mind this was only for the intensifying coats and the final coats.
1. cut two pieces of 5 x 5 cotton cloth
2. pour small amount of DT intensifier (or final coat) onto palate (in my case margarine lid, in DB's case yogurt top)
3. fold first cotton cloth in 1/2 and 1/2 again and dip folded edge into DT
4. apply DT to surface of guitar wiping in direction of the grain (try to do it thinly but don't worry if you can't)
5. just keep dipping the folded edge of the cotton cloth and apply with the grain (as opposed to soaking the cloth and wringing it out)
6. once entire surface has had DT applied, take the dry second 5 x 5 cloth and fold it in 1/2 and lightly wipe over the DT coat that has been applied in the direction of the grain.
voila = thin even coat, usually dry in 12 hours (but may not be cured)
I then wait about 3 days before wet sanding and applying the next final coat. (7 days in Brissy weather for intensifying coat)
Obviously there's nothing wrong with your method DB, its just that without the second cloth I couldn't control the thinness of the coat and i wasn't applying it that even.
Brilliant!
Will definitely be road testing/ stealing this method 😉
your technique sounds good Andy, might give it a crack, I'm the same as you I only dip a bit of the cloth in the DT container and try and apply as thinly as I can. I usually wipe the cloth in straight lines running with the grain, edge to edge (like mowing the lawn in strips) then I look at in the light at an angle that will show any heavier applied areas or runs and go over with the cloth again.
The build is looking super sweet and love that rosewood colour !
Got to laugh at DB's video's the way he pronounces yogurt as YOGOT haha he reckons there's a silent 'R' bwhahahahha
Shut up Woks.😬
Your welcome guys.
lol at Woks pronunciation burn ;)
Edit: - for anyone else that reads this thread. I am using Dingotone MKI.
the method also works for DT neck coats and I cannot see why it wouldn't work with DT MKII
Also a big thanks to Dingobass who created this custom rosewood for me. I don't think I would have "nailed it" had it not been for the time spent in the DB lab:cool:
You've all inspired me.
Again...sanded back with 2000 grit wet in direction of grain. Last DT final coat applied with "technique" to body and neck.
See you all in 21 days time!
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Glossy shiny goodness! Wonderful result Andy, well done.