cheers Pabs, never seen 12 tuners fit on a standard Ricky headstock
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cheers Pabs, never seen 12 tuners fit on a standard Ricky headstock
That is the exact guitar I was thinking of Pabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablopepper
Ah Woks - Roger McGuinn of the Byrds achieved his unique sound on a 12 string Ricky (I think a 360/12) - a guitar that has been on my wish list for a long time.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAejkh4rTjs
cheers Ponch !
I think he's on a 370/12 signature model in that vid. Apparently the 360 only has two PUPs. Random guitrivia fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewdosborne
Damn, that looks like a nightmare!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pablopepper
There's some good guesses going on here!! Keep'em coming!!
I'm thinking an 8 stringer.
could be onto something there Weirdy !
Haha, sorry, I already have one of them, this will be keeping in line with the original Silent Guitar design, so a standard 6 stringer.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdBits
ok Zandy you still have all of us in suspense what mods to the headstock you are doing and why a thicker veneer must be used
Alright, I'm shocking at keeping a secret!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Woks, as I said you were close, but still off by a little.
This is the idea I have in mind....
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L...8/IMG_5109.jpg
I need the thicker head stock to be able to place the tuners on the sides, and still have enough meat to hold the locating screw.
wow that will look ultra cool Zandy ! Sure you can pull it off. I guess the headstock will have to be somewhere between 20 and 25mm thick. It will need to be strong with all that meat missing in the middle
I was hoping to get away with it thinner than that, especially since the standard PBG LP headstock is about 14mm thick. I've measured the tuning machines, and I need 18mm minimum, so maybe 20mm would be workable. Adam has some mini grover style machines available that will bring the thickness minimum down a little too.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Having said that, you could be right in needing it to be thicker. I keep forgetting that acoustics gave higher tension than electrics.
I have a laminating factory near work that I am looking to visit soon and hopefully get some off-cuts of veneers.
sounds good Zandy. I presume you will be gluing the veneer to the bottom so you keep the same string break angle from nut to tuner posts. Have to check out how all the string angles will work once you have the neck.
Actually because the tuner posts are much lower than traditional ones I don't think it would matter if you glued about 3mm to the top and 3mm to the bottom.
WHOA NELLY! Wow, I am DEFINITELY getting the popcorn ready for this one! That's a great challenge. Really looking forward to seeing how this pans out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandit75
Hey Frankie you must have shares in a company that makes popcorn ? You seem to eat alot while watching build diaries hahah
Pizza gets too messy. Air popped corn doesn't leave oily residue on the guitar finishes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Yep, I was planning on laminating top and bottom. I ordered that neck tonight that I posted from ebay earlier, so I guess I could actually do something similar to what I have shown in the sample. The only main difference I will have from the photo above will be the truss rod hole and cover. As the tuners will be slightly further away from the nut, the break angle will be reduced a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Hopefully with the removal of some material, it will offset the added weight of the laminates. I don't want a neck heavy guitar!
I need the Triple buttered Popcorn, nuke some for me will you!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankenWashie
Interesting design.
You might find that the Grover locking tuners aren't the best solution here, as to lock them you need access to the knob on top of the tuner. Looking at the picture of that other headstock, it looks like the next string up will hinder access to the locking knob, or even catch on the knob as the overall height will be a little greater than a standard mini-Grover, especially so when you have to undo it to fit new strings. You may find that you have to take all the strings off to do it and work from the two E strings
Can I suggest that you look at tuners that lock from the bottom to avoid this problem? I've got the Planet Waves locking tuners on a Tele and they work very well and I like the built-in string trimmer feature. For some reason there is excessive post height above the string hole which should have been addressed by now IMO (10 year old product), as they are locking so you don't need or want 3 or 4 turns of string round the post as well, and I can't find any dimension diagrams on their site. But I doubt if they are longer overall than the Grovers. The Schaller bottom locking heads are more compact, but are also reassuringly expensive to make up for it. Sperzel Trim-Loks are also good bottom locking tuners, but have a lower gear ratio (12:1) compared to the Planet Waves ones (18:1). Other makes are available, so have a look round.
But do consider the ease of changing strings when you select your tuners with that peg-head design, or at least draw it all out first and see if there will be any major clashes with the mini-grovers. Are the peg-head slots wide enough to get your thumb and finger in to tighten the locking knob, especially when there are other strings in the way?
Thanks Simon, I didn't even think about that. Might just look for standard Rotomatics instead.
To be honest, I 've never even seen how the locking tuners work. I was only thinking that the Grover upgrades were basically identical to the Chinese items in the kits.
Locking tuners typically have a metal post that is either pushed up through the tuning post by a threaded wheel (if bottom locked), or else the post is attached to a threaded cap (if top locked) and pushed down through the post.
You push your string through the hole in the tuner, take up all the slack in the string then turn the locking wheel or cap. The post pushes on the middle of the string in the hole to force it into a shallow 'u' shape, pressing hard against the inner sides of the hole with enough force that the string won't move at all. You then cut off the excess string and start tuning. You are normally there within a full turn of the post. With a locking tuner you want to minimise the amount of string wrapped around the post. With a standard tuner you need 3 or 4 turns around the post to stop the string slipping loose, but there's always some small amount of give in the windings, at least when newly fitted, and if you ever loosen the tuner, then the give will reappear as if by magic.
I think locking tuners would be ideal for this build given the angle the strings will be pulling at (if anything like the example in the photo). It will be hard to stop the strings riding up to the top of the string post unless you are very careful, making string changes slow. Plus with long string ends getting tangled up in the slot and with other strings (before you cut them off), it's worth spending a bit more IMO to avoid all that hassle once it's built.
Awesome, thanks for that Simon. I'll keep all that in mind.
Here's another angle of the headstock from Casimi Guitars. The laminates don't look too thick here, but the main central section looks thicker than 14mm. I;m not sure what the thickness is of the neck I ordered. Hopefully it's workable.
http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51...NDQ1OA%3D%3D.2
This design is from a different luthier, but it certainly looks thicker at the back, and blended into the neck
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_5174.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_5236.jpg
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMG_5246.jpg
Note that they've built up a lot on the face of the headstock with a thick veneer, so that the nut is sitting in a channel. I'd be tempted to do the same to add as much thickness and strength to the headstock/neck join area as possible. I'd also note that on that guitar, the truss rod adjustment is at the soundhole end. If you've ordered a PBG LP style neck, then the truss rod adjustment and routing will be at the headstock end, making that join area weaker, so add all the strength you can in that area. I'd be tempted to run the veneer right up to the fretboard, and sit the nut on top of that.
At least the BPG LP necks are maple rather than mahogany, so are going to be pretty strong to start with.
I ended up buying a neck off eBay. Not sure of the materials, or thickness at this stage, but according to the description, the truss rod is adjustable from either end. I'm not sure how true that is at this point, as the photos didn't show pictures of the body end. We'll see how it looks when it arrives.
The material of the LP Kits from PBG do vary. My kit had a Mahogany body and neck
The spare LP necks PBG sell are all maple with either ebony or rosewood fingerboards.
A truss rod adjustable from both ends? It may have a double-action truss rod, but it won't be adjustable from both ends. Be interesting to see what you get!
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking also. Hopefully it arrives in good condition.
It was one of the few necks I found with an oversized, undrilled paddle, and no fret markers.
Waiting, waiting, waiting!!
Postman Pat apparently has a couple more things for me today, but the neck has supposedly been in Sydney for the last 4 days.
I didn't even think to check about what kind of wood it was built out of. Now that I look at the ad, there's nothing in the description, so hopefully it's not locked up as part of Cites legislation.
Waiting, waiting, waiting!!
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...-1a0DRariT8-0A
EDIT: Seems I don't know wtf I'm talking about.
You sure? I thought it was an International thing?
Yeah, I just edited my post LOL
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Originally Posted by pablopepper
Bahahaha!!! Love it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pablopepper
Huh, don't you just love it when two items you purchased separately end up in the same parcel because you're an idiot and didn't realise you purchased both items from the same supplier!!:rolleyes:
well done Zandy halfway to Overlord status.
Think I may have ordered stuff on ebay from the same supplier but they have never come in the same parcel !
Yep, that's happened to me as well. I've ordered a couple of items at the same time from the one supplier, and they arrived on the same day in separate parcels. It's stupid how some things work!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
So, here's my collection so far!
http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/u...psvojw9bzs.jpg
Slight refresher on what I now have.....
1 Only - Acoustic Piezo/mic blend pick up
1 Only - Acoustic Guitar Bridge "kit" that will only have certain parts used
12 6 Only - Black String Thru Ferrules - Bottom mount
5 Only - Black Plastic Bridges - These were only $1.00 delivered, and come in a set of 5 anyway!
1 Only - 3 a Side locking tuner machines
1 Only - Black Neck Ferrules & Screws
Still to come.....
1 Only - LP Style Bolt-on Neck from Ebay - Ordered - Somewhere between Sydney and Tassie no doubt.
1 Only - Timber Slab from the BGS - 90x90x120 dressed pine
1 Only - Set of Acoustic Steel Strings - D'Addario Light Acoustics
2 Only - 2mm thick Timber laminates for headstock - Depends on thickness of headstock when it arrives.
6 Only - Black String Thru Ferrules - Top Mount - Due any day.
Getting itchy feet!! Want to get started on this soon!
slowly getting the parts together Zandy. Sounds like the neck shouldn't be far off so you can make a start !
Question regarding the Locking Tuning Machines.
These are pretty dry inside, is there any particular form of lubrication that is suggested for them?
Anyone? Thanks in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zandit75
congrats on 1000 posts - get a life , haha
as for lube - what about one of the bicycle dry gear lubes - i'm pretty sure you don't want to go putting oil in there