If only there was a better bridge solution for that hollow body......
You could always to the jam sandwich effect on the behemoth?
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If only there was a better bridge solution for that hollow body......
You could always to the jam sandwich effect on the behemoth?
I saw this and thought of those acoustic basses
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Hi Dedman, looks like that could work.
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Out of production model so not sure if that bridge can be sourced from any where?
Fingers still have an itch....so was thinking about being greedy and planning to get both the Big Girl and this one...
https://www.pitbullguitars.com/shop/...ss-guitar-kit/
Perhaps with a double bound body she could be a jam sandwich. mmmmmmm decisions. :)
Floating bridge is a better design but now on a thicker bodied instrument.
You know you want the behemoth and you will end up doing it one day, so why not sooner rather than later?
Waz,
Official orders for you....no more making sense and applying logic. You must encourage all aspects of G.A.S. and acquisition of many Bass guitars.😀
Humour aside, I think I might just buy some upgrade parts in the interim....pickups..electrics...bridges...nuts etc.
I think the big one will be Aussie and TRUE BLUE. 😀
Ooops, me and my analytical mind getting me into trouble again.
All good Ozzie and happy to throw some encouragement your way.
Wow, behemoth really is appropriate for that combo. I think we saw one back in November or so? Gutsy build wish Ozzbike, look forward to seeing you tackle it!
Ok Ozz, as promised, I've got some wiring diagrams for you for when you eventually pull the trigger on the Big Girl.
I'm not sure of the exact parts supplied with the BG-46, but from the store images it looks like both switches are just the standard 3-ways. This means we need to get creative if you want true Bass/Off/Guitar style double-neck switching without spending cash on special switches. For the pot and cap values I'm going with what you find in most of the kits and the preferred values for bass/guitar etc. And, following your brief, the diagrams are set up so there's no extra holes, routing or cavity changes required (maybe some minor tweaks to squeeze in a larger switch).
Ok, so this first diagram is the cheap and cheerful version using what should be pretty much the stock parts (I've used an orange drop for the cap just because it's easier on the diagrams).
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The bass circuit has Jazz Bass-style volume controls for each pickup, no pickup switch, the guitar circuit has a single master volume control and a pickup selector. And, there is a master tone that applies to both the guitar and bass circuits. The compromises with this layout is you can't adjust the volume of the guitar pickups individually (with just the master guitar volume), and the master tone would better match the guitar with a 0.022uF cap and better match the bass with a 250KA pot. Minor compromises, but fully functional.
The trick to this circuit is how the stock 3-way is used for the neck selector. Essentially, the guitar circuit and bass circuit are linked in series across the switch. Selecting the bass shorts across the guitar circuit, selecting the guitar shorts across the bass circuit. In the middle position the switch shorts both circuits to mute the beast. In may not look like it in the above diagram, but the switch is connected like this:
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This is accomplished by separating the bass circuit's 'signal' ground/negative from the fixed ground on the hardware (pot casings, bridge etc) and guitar circuit. If you look carefully at the wiring diagram you can see that the bass's volume controls do not have a lug grounded to the back of the pot. This allows me to keep the bass signal ground separate which can then be switched with the neck selector.
Right, the above was with the stock switches, time for something a little more special. I prefer the right-angle double-neck switch but that won't work on this build without major mods to the switch cavities, so that leaves the box style 12 terminal 4-Pole 3-way Double-Neck On/On/On switch. It's expensive, but it gives options you can't get with just the stock 3-way.
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An important note with this switch is the contact layout. With the toggle up or down the contacts are all on one side or the other, but in the middle position the contacts are staggered which makes the switch's orientation important. For the following diagrams to function correctly the switch must be orientated so that when in the middle position its contacts are linked like so:
Attachment 17501
This diagram uses the 4-pole switch as the pickup selector. It switches between the bridge/both/neck pickups for both necks, with a stock 3-way again being used to select between necks.
Attachment 17502
This layout has a Volume & Tone for the guitar and a Volume & Tone for the bass (the strange position of the bass tone cap is because of the way the neck switching works). The main compromise of the configuration is the lack of individual volumes for each pickup. The stubby toggle on the double-neck switch could make it a little awkward as a pickup switch.
The last diagram uses the 4-pole switch as it was intended, as a neck selector. This means that all the controls (pickup selector, volumes and tones) work for the currently selected neck. That is, select 'guitar' and you have a pickup selector, neck pickup volume/tone and bridge pickup volume/tone. Switch over to 'bass' and all the controls change over the the bass pickups.
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The downside for this layout is the slight compromise on the component values. The 0.047uF caps are better suited to the bass than the guitar (0.022uF ideally) and the 500K pots are more suited to the guitar than the bass (closer to 250K ideally). Minor compromises, but the most complete functionality of the three diagrams. Then again, values aren't set in stone and sometimes non-standard component values sound better in a particular build.
Hopefully these will give you somewhere to start. Let me know if you need anything more.
As a follow-on from the diagrams, there's one other option I should mention: the Free-way 6-position toggle switch. it's an expensive switch, but may be easier to obtain than the double-neck switch.
The interesting thing is... by using this switch to do some creative switching of the pickup negatives/grounds and how they connect it should be possible to have 3 positions for the guitar pickups (bridge/both/neck) and 3 positions for the bass pickups and you won't need a second switch at all (although there wouldn't be a 'mute' position). So, you could plug the upper switch hole if you're going for a solid colour. Anyway, just another option.
Scott,
Thank you so much for the brain fodder mate.
Some interesting options here. I do honestly thank you for the work required to produce these great diagrams. :)
I do like the options with the four pole switch.....the one you listed at the end before the freeway switch post.
I shall lean towards that one I think.
I do note that you include a bass bridge earth wire. The piccies of the body of the guitar do not show a drilled hole for this wire. But I do note that at the bottom of the bass bridge pickup route there appears to be a drilled hole. I have a couple of longer drill bits and think I could squeeze one through.
Saving for better upgrades.....as the kits are listed to arrive back in stock in May.
I have tracked down some wood, tile, soapstone, leather gouges.....I think these will help with fitting the Tone Rider Jazz Bass pickups.
Plan:-
Name:- "True Blue.".....obviously to be stained blue. I have some plans to fade a stylised aussie flag into the stain on the front and the back of the guitar body. Amber to Gold stained headstock faces.....blue on the back of the necks......maybe two tones....with a darker tint at the body joints and the neck scarf joints.
U-Beaut water based stains.....over sanded wood filled with baltic timber mate....or ebony to spike the grain.....then wet sanded and finished through the grades of paper in Feast Watson wipe on gloss polyurethane. (Maybe a couple of grain popping Tru-Oil coats before the poly.)
1. Tone Rider Jazz Bass pickups.......bridge pickup bought on 26/02/17....thanks hobastard
2. Tone Rider Rocksong humbucker guitar pickups.
3. CTS or Gotoh pots of the right ratings.
4. Switchcraft input jack.
5. Tusq or Graphite nuts for both necks.
6. Orange Drop caps of the correcting ratings.
7. Treble bleed circuits over all volume pots.....if they fit weirdy's wondergrams. :)
Maybe:-
1. Upgraded locking tuners for both headstocks.
2. Better roller style tune-o-matic bridge and wraparound stop-tail piece on the guitar body.....I actually don't mind the style of Bass bridge supplied.
Saving now....not wilting and buying an interim kit.....like the thunderbird....or the hollow body kits.....no no....behaving myself. :)
Oh, can I not use this toggle switch?
http://www.realparts.com.au/electron...le-switch.html
Ideally, yes, but no. The typical kit switch cavity is not much larger than the stock 3-way switch itself (and that's what the cavities look like in the BG-46 photos), so a right-angle switch is unlikely to fit without some heavy-duty enlargement of the cavity (and probably a deep thread nut too).
To give you an idea, here are the three switches: Box-style 4-pole double-neck switch, stock PBG 3-way and Switchcraft right-angle (smallest to largest).
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And the undersides:
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The right-angle switch above is a standard right-angle 3-way, as I didn't have a double-necker on hand. The actual switch is fatter/wider in the lug block/body.
Mod'ing the switch cavity would also mean you'd need a custom cover for it, but if you want to use a right-angle I can draw up a layout for you.
Ah, now I see. Thank you.
I shall order the four pole 12 connector switch then. 😀
Hi Ozzie, both bridges look ok, in fact the Bass one is a ripper and best stock PBG one I've seen whilst the guitar one is just a stock standard tuneomatic and should work fine. Only cheap hardware upgrade I would do is to replace that 'football' shaped jack plate with one of these recessed ones..... http://www.realparts.com.au/hardware...us-thread.html
Standard Bass tuners are the same as on my EX-5 and work ok. I have only upgraded the tuners on my EX-1 with the Grover lockers but happy enough with the generics on the other couple of 6 stringer builds. Expensive upgrades that would cost about $100 or more for maybe 20% gain in efficiency perhaps. If they were the open backed Fender style Bass tuners I would encourage upgrading as they are quite soft and don't feel strong enough to handle the load and reckon it wouldn't take much to strip a gear on one of them.
Real Parts have Alpha pots from $3 each vs $7.30 for CTS representing a savings of $17.20 as all these upgrades can add up quite considerably.
Cheers Waz
The land lays as such:-
The kit.......
https://www.pitbullguitars.com/shop/...uitarbass-kit/
To be ordered when they return to stock....or...maybe during April to jump the queue. :)
Extras from PBG:-
Tone Rider J Bass pickups and Tone Rider Rocksong pickups......bridge bass pickup sourced 26 feb...thanks hobastard.
Grover Chrome 6 inline Mini Locking Rotomatics Upgrade Tuning machines.
PBG treble bleed circuits x 2
Switchcraft 1/4" mono output jack
Total including the kit:- $697-80
GuitarElectronics.Com Item:-
3-Way 4-Pole On/On/On Toggle Switch $26-95 (USD) plus shipping........DONE $59.50 26/02/17.
RealParts.Com.Au items:-.........Done ordered this morning.... $168.60....28/02/17.
Gotoh tailpiece and Bridge- Epiphone upgrade - Chrome
Sprague 0.047 mfd Orange Drop Caps - Pack of 3
Sprague 0.022 mfd Orange Drop Caps - Pack of 3
Gotoh 500K Audio Taper Pots x 4
Graph Tech Tusq XL slotted nut for Epiphone - Black
Graphite Slotted nut for Bass - Black
Flat Chrome Knob set of 2 x 2
Electrosocket Jack Plate - Chrome - US Thread
Total:- $168-60.
I have the dyes, sandpaper, timber mate and polyurethane.
So Total:- $866-40 (Plus the US costs....so maybe $60-00)
Grand Total:- $926-40.
Wow......thinking I will do this....but I shall start sneaking up on it from next payday.....US Order and the Real Parts stuff first....then save the nearly $700.00 for PBG for an April order. Maybe order the bits other than the kit from PBG as the money is around as well.....cause if I don't do the kit the things can be used in other guitars.
This is going to be fun.....better than wine...shoes...chocolate....retail therapy for blokes. :)
Oh, To be wired using this wonder from weirdBits...thanks scott. :)
I have a Tonerider jbass bridge pickup for sale, never fitted to anything, still in the box. Bought it from Pitbull for a project that didn't go ahead.
Looking for $40 inc postage.
Will accept PayPal.
Save you a couple of bucks, every little bit helps.
An epic project, good luck.
Done deal hobastard.....I will take that one from your hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobastard
My paypal e-mail address for an invoice I can pay is ozzbike@hotmail.com
Thank You sir, all charity, donations will be happily swooped upon. :)
Thank you for your input mate. I do think I shall need much assistance from those who know. Scott your wiring diagrams save many angry soldering iron incidents. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdBits
I have started the orders....
Guitar Electronics in the USA....One switch including international shipping....$59-50 in AUD.
Ordered and on its way.
Roll on May 2017. :)
Upgrades sound great and bottom line adds up real quick. Sticking with original Bass Tuners probably saved you at least $50 - $60 bucks.
Giving up a few of life's pleasures for a short while to help launch this project will be worth it. Happy to help out if you need a spare hand once it arrives although I think you may need to spend some quality time bonding with the behemoth whilst doing initial sanding.
Cheers, Waz
It's Yours....Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzbike
Invoice sent,
Please bear in mind that due to work schedules, I won't be able to post until Thursday.
Dan.
Thanks again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobastard
Invoice is paid. Many thanks. 😀
P.S. I can't order until May....send when you can. 😎
The process has begun....probably the best thing to stop me buying an interim build. 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by wazkelly
Thanks again.
Invoice is paid. Many thanks. ��
P.S. I can't order until May....send when you can. ��[/QUOTE]
Thanks Mate,
Payment Received,
(First instalment to saving for my next (first) Pitbull Kit.... )
I know what you mean..... as soon as I get something started in my mind, I go chasing bits all over the place so I can feel that the process is underway.... being stuck in front of a computer on a twelve hour night shift is also a contributing factor.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzbike
12 hour shift worker here too. I wish you a good night mate. 😎Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobastard
Today I have ordered the list of stuff from Real Parts.....now next payday it is time for some PBG goodies...pickups and bleed circuits and one switchcraft jack.
OOooh I am so tingly....like a kid at xmas. Love it.
Now you have something to look forward to doing in the not too distant future.
Good stuff ozzbike looks like a nice project, looking forward to seeing this axe come together
The Real Parts Order is in da house....well Sunshine Coast to Sunshine Coast is not a big trip.
OOOOH getting keen to put hands on wood now. :)
Nice collection of parts Ozz.
nice parts stash Ozz. Got to love how quickly Realparts turn around an order. Hope mine gets shipped today so it arrives at work Friday !
Posted this Morning.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzbike
Oh it is all coming together....thanks hobastard. 😀
Love your work hobastard. Thank you.
Sitting in my mailbox this afternoon....is one very lonely Tone Rider Jazz Bass Bridge Pickup. :)
This afternoon I ordered the rest of the bits I can get at his stage from Pitbull Guitar. $202.85.
Tone Rider Rocksong Humbuckers Pickup set, Tone Rider JazzBass Neck pickup, 1 x switchcraft jack, 2 x treble bleed circuits.
All that is left now is the BG 46 kit and the Grover mini locking tuners upgrade.....something for April I think. 😀
good stuff Ozz getting there mate. Some nice upgrades. Have you got a tonerider JB bridge pup ? sorry if you have already said !