Woltz's 2nd Scratch Build

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Originally Posted by fender3x

I am impressed the degree to which you have taken the idea of "scratch" build. This is the scratchiest I have followed.

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Haha hopefully it actually turns out to be something usable and not just a piece of wall art.

Had a small amount of free time last night and my electronics had arrived in the last couple days so thought I'd do the wiring harness.

Here is my drawing based off different diagrams and images around the internet.

https://i.imgur.com/5zUe5Hv.jpg

And a few photos of it all done.

https://i.imgur.com/bFKZzyR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/L0qGp0E.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/I36k8OT.jpg

Pickup wired in to test everything by holding the pickup up to the strings of one of my other guitars.

https://i.imgur.com/S1WYl4x.jpg

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Originally Posted by Woltz

In regards to the Sea Foam Green, maybe we need a Sea Foam Green appreciation thread specially for Frankie haha.

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Originally Posted by Sonic Mountain

Hah, he'd love that.

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Originally Posted by Bakersdozen

I'd be all over that like green foam on the sea !

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Im feeling sea sick...or, more accurately, sea foam green sick.🤢

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Originally Posted by Woltz

To be honest I also wouldn't mind have one of your Deluxesters in my collection because I really dig the shape, particularly.

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By the seven hells YES!😁😁 I’m looking forward to a nice blank deluxester canvas! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I like that loom, so clean

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Originally Posted by FrankenWashie

By the seven hells YES!😁😁 I’m looking forward to a nice blank deluxester canvas! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

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I'll get there eventually!

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Originally Posted by FrankenWashie

Im feeling sea sick...or, more accurately, sea foam green sick.🤢

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I suppose i wouldn't like it either if I turned that color.

You haven't wired it exactly as per your wiring diagram have you? Those tone pots are slightly different as the other end of the track isn't grounded (not that it really matters).

But I would definitely have put some heat shrink over the selector switch connections. So easy for one of those to short to ground or permanently make.

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Originally Posted by Simon Barden

You haven't wired it exactly as per your wiring diagram have you? Those tone pots are slightly different as the other end of the track isn't grounded (not that it really matters).

But I would definitely have put some heat shrink over the selector switch connections. So easy for one of those to short to ground or permanently make.

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Good spot Simon. Most of the schematic is based off Rick's current schematics but I made some changes based on what I'd seen around. The other change is the push pull pot to incorporate the extra cap.

I'll give some thought to the heatshrink or other methods to make sure there is no accidently grounding.

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Without heatshrink, I'd bend the two outer contacts well away from the centre, and the two inner ones a bit further away from that central ground lug. They are all very close together if left parallel.

I think this post may catch the attention of FrankenWashie.

It's been a busy few weeks but now that I will have some free time again, it's time to get back into it.

Decided today was a good day to mock up the headstock using MDF to see if the tuners I purchased fit.

https://i.imgur.com/5YrLXqj.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/jzIr7hN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Vit6bp7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eTTbLDi.jpg

It's tight but there doesn't appear to be any tuners that collide with each other.

Woah... thats nuts.

No, that's tuners! ;)

I'd be tempted to make those slots as wide as you can get away with to help you get the strings on and off. I'd have been tempted to use locking tuners (locking from the bottom types) for the slots just to make that easier. You could use locking tuners throughout but they add a lot of weight to the headstock, not something you want when you are already starting out with 12 tuners, so 6 locking + 6 normal would be a decent compromise (unless you can find really light alloy ones).

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Originally Posted by Simon Barden

I'd be tempted to make those slots as wide as you can get away with to help you get the strings on and off. I'd have been tempted to use locking tuners (locking from the bottom types) for the slots just to make that easier. You could use locking tuners throughout but they add a lot of weight to the headstock, not something you want when you are already starting out with 12 tuners, so 6 locking + 6 normal would be a decent compromise (unless you can find really light alloy ones).

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Yep I'll be making the slots wider than they are here in the mock up. And I'll make the actual headstock a little thinner than this piece of mdf was as well.

I didn't have much choice in my selection of tuners unfortunately because of this style of headstock. Doing a more conventional 12 string headstock would've been easier. But I guess where is the fun in that haha.

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There is always a choice, but that can come at a significant cost.

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Originally Posted by Simon Barden

There is always a choice, but that can come at a significant cost.

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Yep 100%. The only locking tuners that I know would fit were Schaller M6 Minis. And the price here in Australia would've cost more than the rest of the guitar.

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These are worth considering for the future. https://www.northwestguitars.co.uk/j...g-es-acoustic/ 20% less than that as you won't get charged VAT, which will help offset shipping costs. Same size as the Gotohs (within 0.5mm). Smooth action and a 19:1 ratio (one better than the Gotohs). I've had two sets.

You need to remove the locking pins and sand them down at the end before use as they do have some sharp edges at the top that can snap the thinner strings, but I'd recommend doing that with any locking tuner.

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Originally Posted by Simon Barden

These are worth considering for the future. https://www.northwestguitars.co.uk/j...g-es-acoustic/ 20% less than that as you won't get charged VAT, which will help offset shipping costs. Same size as the Gotohs (within 0.5mm). Smooth action and a 19:1 ratio (one better than the Gotohs). I've had two sets.

You need to remove the locking pins and sand them down at the end before use as they do have some sharp edges at the top that can snap the thinner strings, but I'd recommend doing that with any locking tuner.

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Not sure if these would actually fit this particular headstock. The Gotohs I have are the SG360 which are smaller than the regular Gotoh tuners.

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Maybe not then. Same basic size but you need ones with the straight, not angled, anti-rotation screw lug.

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Originally Posted by Simon Barden

Maybe not then. Same basic size but you need ones with the straight, not angled, anti-rotation screw lug.

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Yep. Although I appreciate the link because I have more builds planned and it's good to be able to find reasonable priced good quality parts to try and keep the costs down.

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A lot of their own-brand stuff is very good and comes off the same production line as Wilkinson products. Ive got AUD$200 of their parts making their way from them to me this very moment.

Your headstock certainly got my attention. Kind of crazy, but I like it.

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Originally Posted by DarkMark

Your headstock certainly got my attention. Kind of crazy, but I like it.

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Haha cheers mate but I can't claim it as my design. This is the design that Charvel and Rickenbacker have used for their 12 strings.

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I have been slowly ticking along with things when I get a chance.

Got the neck blank jointed and glued up.

https://i.imgur.com/cYcL3By.jpg

All cleaned up.

https://i.imgur.com/G3rQ4UK.jpg?1

Cleaned up the pieces for the body blank.

https://i.imgur.com/MmqnGER.jpg

Joint looks pretty good, I'll glue it up in the next few days and then I can cut it out the rough shape.

https://i.imgur.com/IDbYl7L.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yrXS8HW.jpg

Also had a new toy arrive a couple days ago to replace the cheap blackridge spray gun I'd been using.

https://i.imgur.com/MhFfDvO.jpg?1

For everyone following along, don't worry, I haven't forgotten about this project. I've just had a few things competing for my time. But I have glued up the body blanks and yesterday I did rough cut the body.

https://i.imgur.com/Jli9JzE.jpg

Next job is to finish up my working templates for it so I can check the fit of a few things and then do the routing.

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Originally Posted by Simon Barden

These are worth considering for the future. https://www.northwestguitars.co.uk/j...g-es-acoustic/ 20% less than that as you won't get charged VAT, which will help offset shipping costs.

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They look to be Jin-ho. I used some of their bass tuners on my ESB-4 and they seem decent enough. You could probably find a local importer.

This build has been just sitting in the background with nothing happening*as my focus had been taken by a couple other projects which I want to get out of the way so that I can pay close attention to this one.* But I did cut out the pickguards today.

https://i.imgur.com/HHQkVAX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/igiQ29Q.jpg

They aren't perfect but they'll do the job.