Looking good Tony. Shame about the back.
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Looking good Tony. Shame about the back.
Agreed, it's a shame about the back, but the front will look great when you're done!
That's another difference between yours and the PBG kit - there isn't a maple veneer on the rear (oops.. that rhymes...)
@wazkelly and Swanny
yeh guys pity about the back, but i am going to try a light black stain, then i can deepen it if needed, see if i can still get the grain to pop through the light black.
hi Tony,
soft application with a wire brush on those back glue stains then a touch up with dye may fix your problem. It will take a while and you should go easy, but I fixed a similar problem recently after dying. Alternately, (since this is just the initial popping step?), you can try some goof off on each spot an then re-apply the dye in those patches. I've had good results with the goof off as well. Just rub into the glue spot and rub out with a clean rag 3 times seems to shift most.
cheers,
Gav.
I've used Goof off on my 12 strings to remove the biggest glue spots too, just before I started the oiling.
As Gavin said it seems to remove a fair bit.
I was just careful around the edges and where the veneer meets in the middle as I was scared it could lift the veneer, but had no issue.
Fred
Thanks Gav and Fred
I tried some Goof Off on a spot yesterday, it didnt seem to do anything, not sure it isnt wood filler from the manufacturer, but i will try the light wire brush and some more Goof Off and see how it rolls.
This will surely make me gun shy of any future Chinese veneers, but you live and learn.
Maybe a Hofner style bass next without veneer :cool:
Tried some Red Mahogany Stain and its a no go, wont waste much more time on the back, solid black looks like the go.
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Well i am now going for broke, i have dug out what is plastic out of one of the fill holes, got stuck in with some heavy sanding and goof off for a few other pieces, once i decided i didnt care if i go though the veneer or not, life has become much easier. The funny thing other than digging out plastic, i havent been through the veneer.......yet.
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Looks like 4 hours of work on the back and i win, quite a bit to do still, but at least i wont drop my bundle and crack the sads, it is what it is.
Finally finished for the day, the pic doesnt do it justice, but its come up nice, a little bit to do tomorrow and i can move on.
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looks good Tony, bonus your kit having flame maple on the back. What colour stain is it ? I haven't been following the diary that frequently
I was cursing about the flame on the back before i got stuck into, what a mess it was with glue and plastic filler.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
The stain is Colortone Red Mahogany.
it was worth persisting then Tony, if the front looks as good as the back you will be laughing. Nice colour
The top should be easy, the back was a nightmare, i guess i put 6 hours into the back today, probably 10+ hours all up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
It pays to put things away when you think they have you defeated then attack from another angle another day. I was going to sand the back off next so i had nothing to lose by trying to fix it, not caring anymore about going through the veneer helped.
thats good advice Tony if you are stumped or just plain not happy with progress put it away till the next day and come back with a fresh mind.
I play kakuro puzzles and often get stumped and look at it the next day and figure it out
That looks great to how it was when you started, Tony! Good work!
@wokka yeh mate i learnt that a long time ago, its better to walk away, than throw it against the bricks :rolleyes:
@Swanny thanks mate as you know it can be hard work, each guitar has its good and bad points. Quite happy with the colour, its a bit of an accident, but i am going to stick with it, neck and all, well at least until tomorrow and i change my mind ;)
The back looks awesome now! Still sucks that you had to spend 10+ hours on it but the result looks so good now compared to where you started. Well done. Gives me hope that if I encounter the same thing when I get my kits, that I should just keep at it.
thanks Peter, lucky sanding for me is therapeutic haha.
My older brother, a Luthier for 60years, told me when i was a kid to build guitars and repair guitars, you will make more than you ever will playing gigs. I am too restless to be at a bench all day, even though from a very early age i was winding pickups and doing tech stuff, i just couldnt get into it. In hindsight which is 20/20, i probably should of done what he said instead of gigging and trying to make ends meet by working as a laborer as well.
Great work there Tony, persistence is paying off
Hey Tony, I haven't had this issue with glue as yet, but i am sure it will one day. What was the method you used to fix the back, its exceptional! Was the veneer quite thick?
Its all you can do mate hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by stan
Hi Andy, the veneer is thin very thin i am lucky its come out ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy40
What i did was keep at it with Goof Off, then 400grit then 600grit then the synthetic 000 steel wool, i would then timbermate my work, let it dry, sand it back, then wipe some stain on it, if the stain took i knew i had all the glue. There was plastic put in a flaw/hole in the veneer, this i had to dig out with my leatherman and fill then sand, i repeated the process a few times. Going out to do some more sanding now, hopefully the back is done.
Another thing i did was there was a small hairline crack (other than the center seam) in the veneer about 1" long. I fill it with a very waterery solution of timbermate and left it over night, the fibres expanded and closed and sealed the crack perfectly.
I have finished the back, i went a bit darker on the last Red Mahogany dye coat, its still wet in the pic, but its popping nicely now its dry.
Too hot in the shed to do too much, so thats it for today, its beer o'clock.
Onto the front tomorrow, going lighter, might even try a burst or a deep cherry red, see how i feel in the morning.
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looks great Tony, wish i could knock off and have a beer, have one or five for me please
Hey Wok i dont think i will get 4 or 5 of these in, not at 10% ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
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holy cow Tony I've never seen or tried that, Dutch quadruple I see in a ceramic bottle
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/hertog-...prestige/5305/
You just made me 200 times more jealous !!!!
enjoy it mate !
@ DB we must track this beer down !!!
Very nice ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
Very nice, both the finish and the beer!
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hahha good one Ponch, so I'm not the only one still at work frothing at the mouth for a quadruple !
Yep spot on. I'm desperately hanging out for a bier!
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Mention beer and they come out of the woodwork :p
I went out this morning to the body only to witness seperation on the small crack i have been trying to repair, so i went and got me a Minwax stick, went and checked before and all good, what a great little touch up tool
heres what i was up against
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I have used the stick x2 today on this small spot and 2 other small spots, i will take a pic later when i am finished but the results so far have been very good.
I will take it right back and Timbermate again before i finish the body as this stuff is wax it may not hold the finish unless i clean it right up.
Today after doing some paving i decided to finish the back of the guitar off, pretty happy with it, its not perfect, but then again its not a $3000 guitar, it will do the job and look ok. In hindsite i am too much of a perfectionist with my work and have spent too much time getting the finish right to still end up with a few cosmetic flaws, it wont bother me at the end of the day, i just call them character marks
I had some lighter color stain left over from the back, so decided to attack the neck with it, its lighter than what i will use. Wipe on a a bit of colour tint and you see old Mr Magloo rear his ugly head.
Neck still wet looks orange, now i know how to do an orange if i want haha
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Mr MaGloo
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Wet stain, its going to look alright i think when i darken it up.
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looks good Tony, so you will match the colour of the back of the body ?
Yeh Wok a dark red mahogany, the headstock has nothing done yet, tossing coins on flat black or the same as the rest of the neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
The top i am thinking darkish cherry red in the middle, red mahogany blend in then a black border, might be getting ahead of myself.
Next guitar will be a simple Daphne Blue....
Went to buy some pavers today and went to Carbartec, i was sure they had pavers :p
Anyway ended up with some bench cookies and XL risers, i have been wanting these for a while, great for doing wiring etc.
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Cookies
keeps the guitar nice and stable
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Jack her up
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50,000k service, already putting these things to good use
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And waiting on these Bench Cookie Cones, great for when your doing a finish one side and dont want to damage the other side you've already done, they fit onto the bench cookies
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Sorry dear i forgot the pavers :rolleyes:
those cookies are a cool idea Tony. Wouldn't want the axe resting on those cone fittings unless they rest in cavities ? Might damage the body
I was chatting to a luthier who was using them, he said he hasnt had a finish scratching problem yet, apparently designed not to harm the finish at all, i will try them on one of my poocasters i experiment on throw it around on them a bit, they are only a few $$ if the dont work out.
They are based on the painters pyramid, that dont mark the surface.
Heres the blurb on them
Rockler Bench CookieŽ Finishing Cones lift your project off your bench with minimal surface contact, keeping it stable during the entire finishing process! Custom sized to fit snugly over the incredibly popular Rockler Bench CookieŽ
Coming along nicely now, still have a little bit of Mr Magloo but got alot of it
Have darkened up the colour a bit now.
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Oh Magloo you done it again
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Dont use those thin plastic gloves with that Goof Off stuff, i couldnt find my thick industrial ones and used them instead, the stuff eats holes in them, silly me, too early in the morning wasnt thinking.