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I agree Wokka. The problem with the first coat was the DT in the grain underneath and the fact I used general purpose thinner with nitro lacquer (thanks to green shed advice) and 40 PSI at the spray gun. Since then I spoke with an auto painter and was recommended 2P thinner and 10 PSI at the spray gun. It now goes on beautifully. I can't get nitro thinner anywhere (even at auto paint suppliers).
Hey Salo ask the auto painter where he gets the 2pak thinner from, must be available somewhere in Perth
Hi Salo, I like the colour you got out of that one.
I did my ST-1 in Lake Placid Blue Nitro, just have a look at my build diary if you want to see.
I'm a bit of a noob and don't have a compressor, spray etc, so I used aerosols I sourced from Sydney Guitar set ups.
I used Nitro white undercoat, Nitro Lake Placid Blue and clear with a 60's tint over the top (gave it a darker blue). I did the neck just with the 60's tint.
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As I used Aerosols, I did not need thinner, but I cannot tell you how many many many coats of nitro went on.
I sprayed a couple of times when humidity was just over 50% and it went to poo so watch that, or you'll have to sand it back and start layering again.
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If I had any problems or needed advice I just PM'd forum expert Jarrod, he was a great help.
Well my nitro clear coat from Victoria has finally arrived. I've given the LP one coat of clear coat and its starting to look really nice. Here is some photos Attachment 8875 Attachment 8877
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Over the past four days I have applied 5 more coats of clear coat. Today I put on the final coat and it has come up really nice.
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Thats looking real nice, looks like i need to hunt down some nitro for a build i am planning..
nice one Salo that looks great. Was that a satin gloss nitro ?
Nice! Now leave it for at least 21 days before you cut and polish it and BOOM! that will be one tasty Guitar :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salo
Guitar Australia is the place to go Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyw
https://www.guitaraust.com.au/finishing.html
@ Tony. I couldn't get any nitro in Perth. It appears the auto paint industry here uses 2 pack and can usually do any colour for you. I got my nitro lake placid blue and clear coat from Guitar Australia.
@ Wokka. It is gloss nitro. I'll give it 48 hours to set and then I will start the w/d sanding and then the buffing process to get that high gloss look. My grandson is already stoked with the look.
Hi DB. Why 21 days? The instructions on the tin says 48 hours.
Thanks DB i get my Behlins poly from them, great place to shop..Quote:
Originally Posted by dingobass
Salo as DB said yes guitar Australia is the place to go, and as you did, i am also thinking Lake Placid blue on a Carbronita i am working onQuote:
Originally Posted by Salo
Salo, 48 hours curing is rubbish - maybe between coats but the layer of coats needs time to fully cure before you can polish it.
it does take 2-3 weeks so 3 weeks is on the safe side
@Tony. I'm with you, I just love the colour. My late son had a 1978 Fender Telecaster in that colour and regrettably I let it go because it wasn't genuine. It had the wrong pups and tuners and I swapped it for a Les Paul (Epiphone). So the Teli you see in the photo is my attempt to recreate that guitar.
@Wokka. I think your right because one of the instructions on the tin also said that after five coats, rub it with 400 w/d with mineral spirits and I had the sense to realize that there is no way that mineral spirits is getting anywhere near the paint job. Thanks for the advise.
Salo, leave it for at least 21 days to fully cure..
If you try to cut and polish before then it will end in tears...
How do I know this? Experience...
Edit.. I see Woks has already given you this advice :p
Thanks DB. I will follow your advise.
I just wish the instructions on the tins were more accurate....
As Woks said, 48 hours between coats would be better.. (Even though in reality you can re coat after 4 or 5 hours in nice weather)
It really annoys me because I know how much this build means to you and to have it go pear shaped due to inaccurate instructions would be devastating...
I have bought this up with the manufacturer and got absolutely no response....
Pity, as it is a good product but I wonder how many folk have ended up with a crappy finish due to the bad instructions?
Oh well, I am glad we helped you to avoid disappointment:)
Cant wait to see the end result, I can see it is going to be a beautiful Guitar with a whole lot of meaning.
Have been patiently waiting the gestation period and it was born yesterday. Welcome baby
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Attachment 9460 The light thru the patio sheeting not that good.
I really want to thank DB and Woks for their advice. I did an experiment on a piece of scrap wood on which I did a couple coats of clear. not because I doubted their advice but to see what happens. Let it cure for 5 days and then hit it with 800 grit wet/dry paper and there were these white patches in the finish. Obviously clear coats not cured. Thanks boys, I'll buy you a beer if ever we meet.
That has come up beautifully Salo :)
That is looking the business! Beautiful shade of Blue that. Well done Salo, the patience torture has really paid off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Salo
well done Salo great results,
no drama the forum is here to help every builder get the best results, and the least amount of mistakes and re-do's.
Patience definitely pays off when clear coats are curing !
That blue is awesome Salo! She's going to look amazing all assembled.
cheers,
Gav.
Thanks fellows. I'm pleased with it and so is my 8 year old grandson (I'm building it for him)
Top job Salo, looks nice
I'm about to start on the wiring. I have studied the wiring diagram for LP-1 and watched Adam's wiring video. My question is the earth wiring which is grounded to the TOM bridge, what is it then attached to?
Your options are to have the bare wire up the side of the anchor stud when you knock it in, or as i do, i screw the bridge down with the wire between the stud and the screw.
Thanks Tony. That bit I'm familiar with, it's the other end of the wire I don't know what to attach it to.
Normal practice is to solder it to the casing of the tone pot.
Hi Salo, solder the earth wire to the back of one of the pots, usually volume pot but can be tone pot. If you are not using copper shielding in the control cavity then all pots and switch have to be earthed to the common earth point of that pot
PS those videos are about 4 years old and need to be updated !
Thanks DB and Woks
As above, i usually do a star ground to my pots and all my earths join up together.
I recently had ground loop problems in a build with 2x HB's, 2x T, 2x V; some grounds were on tone pots, others on the bridge volume pot. After researching online, I rewired so there's only one route for the ground. I reckon a star ground would be neater than the messy lump of soldered wires on my bridge volume pot, but at least I've lost that buzz.
good result Wolfred. Is the control cavity copper shielded ? If not then all the pots needed to be grounded so maybe that was your problem
No, Wokka, a hollow bodied starcaster from DIY. Difficult to contemplate shielding. But it sounds great, GFS gold foil pups and 50's wiring, so no need for treble bleed circuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by wokkaboy
I originally had a star type ground and then realized when I stuffed it all through the F hole, the ground star would be staring at me through the F hole, could have still done it, but using the bridge volume pot seemed simpler if uglier.
Well I've finally got around to finishing my Lake Placid Blue LP for my grandson. All the parts are stock except for pots, caps & bone nut. I'm very happy with the result for a beginner and am thinking of my next project (Maybe an ES-335). Here's some pixs of the finished guitar.
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Here is some more
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Great result Salo, that blue looks fantastic, he will love it for sure
Great colour.
Looks fantastic! Bravo!
I hope that can of zippo fluid isn't for "doing a Hendrix" :D