tuners look great Alan, so these are aftermarket tuners ?
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tuners look great Alan, so these are aftermarket tuners ?
Yeah went with the aftermarket ones. Stock ones with kit were a little sloppy for my liking.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from wokkaboy on July 14, 2014, 11:31
tuners look great Alan, so these are aftermarket tuners ?
Mind you I think I may have got a little carried away. Also changed the pickups, pickguard, bridge, strap buttons, and 3 way switch lol
Hey, if you have the money it's probably worth it. You are the one who wants to enjoy playing this bass after you've finished it, so it's better to make whatever changes are going to make that more likely.Quote:
Quote from lunaticthighs on July 14, 2014, 15:32[/b]
Yeah went with the aftermarket ones. Stock ones with kit were a little sloppy for my liking.Quote:
Quote from wokkaboy on July 14, 2014, 11:31
tuners look great Alan, so these are aftermarket tuners ?
Mind you I think I may have got a little carried away. Also changed the pickups, pickguard, bridge, strap buttons, and 3 way switch lol
Agreed^. I have upgraded almost everything for every build I've done. Totally worth it.
That was my thinking too. Always wanted a ric but could never justify the money they cost. Just don't tell the wife, used the "hey look how cheap this will be" excuse lol.
haha, a whole separate topic - how I hid the true cost from my significant other...
Let he who has not done the same thing cast the first stone.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from stan on July 15, 2014, 18:23
haha, a whole separate topic - how I hid the true cost from my significant other...
Been a bit busy of late so not much progress too show but managed to attach the neck over the weekend.
http://i.imgur.com/sHShysa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LtSd0NF.jpg
Wow she is looking amazing Alan. Both neck and body work so, so well together!
Can't wait to see all the hardware on there. Will you be filming us a sound demo? After seeing your build I want one of these very badly.
cheers,
Gav.
looks sweet Alan, can't wait to see it finished and a sound demo as think you must be the first to almost finish one of these kits. Nice looking upgrades, although its a bit unclear the pickups and bridge in the photo
No pickups fitted yet. Waiting for the scratch plate to come back from being chromed and due to the fitting of an original ric bridge the original jazz pickup wont work in the bridge position so have a srb-1b seymore duncan coming. Will probably mean a little of extra routing though doh.
Yeah dude, string spacing. That's why I balked at getting the same bridge. Looks damn good though. A chrome pickguard too! Sounds awesome.
Yeah unfortunately I didn't see your post about string spacing until after routing for the new bridge to fit and being my first build didn't check before :(Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from pablopepper on July 22, 2014, 12:16
Yeah dude, string spacing. That's why I balked at getting the same bridge. Looks damn good though. A chrome pickguard too! Sounds awesome.
On the up side though I am now using the matched set of seymore duncans and do get the advantage of the mute on the bridge so not all a loss.
Ok nothing is fixed yet just sat in situ but just had to share this.
http://i.imgur.com/Ax4RMeU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xfd0PAZ.jpg
Oh, WOW! That looks fantastic!
Sorry dude, the spacing thing threw me for a while, I wasn't sure if it would make that much difference so I didn't mention it before. To be honest, I only thought about the spacing over the pickup after I got my bridge and was laying it all out.
that looks amazing Alan, what is the pickguard and truss rod cover made of if its chrome plated ?
So is the new bridge you got slightly wider than the supplied bridge ?
No need to be sorry for anything mate. Just a rookie mistake on my part but it all worked out in the long run as it's closer to an original now and I have a spare jazz bridge pickup for a future project. ;)Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from pablopepper on July 22, 2014, 14:55
Oh, WOW! That looks fantastic!
Sorry dude, the spacing thing threw me for a while, I wasn't sure if it would make that much difference so I didn't mention it before. To be honest, I only thought about the spacing over the pickup after I got my bridge and was laying it all out.
Both are 1.2mm brass, water jet cut, hand finished, then chromed. And no the bridge is about the same width but has narrower string spacing. Because of the adjustable string dampener it needed to routed underneath the front to fit.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from wokkaboy on July 22, 2014, 15:11
that looks amazing Alan, what is the pickguard and truss rod cover made of if its chrome plated ?
So is the new bridge you got slightly wider than the supplied bridge ?
very cool, who does the water jet cutting and chrome plating ? Very nice look indeed.
Glad the bridge worked out as it looks very sexy
The bridge did require some adjustment of the neck though. Had to shim it 1.5mm forward and just under 1mm up to get more angle otherwise the string hight would have been unplayable. Good learning point for me to next time clamp the neck in place and check the string hight before adding glue lol. Made for messy fun but we got there eventually.
Jet cut supplied the brass and did the cutting and A class metal finishers did the chrome. Both in Adelaide.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from wokkaboy on July 22, 2014, 15:38
very cool, who does the water jet cutting and chrome plating ? Very nice look indeed.
Glad the bridge worked out as it looks very sexy
yer cool thanks Alan, they did a superb job
some very very nice touches there mate, great work
That is stunning. It certainly sets you apart from the routine look. Excellent.
Bit of a signature thing. Have done chrome scratch plates on most of my basses over the years.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from lawry on July 22, 2014, 17:15
That is stunning. It certainly sets you apart from the routine look. Excellent.
Ok seem to have struck a serious problem. Was waiting for pickup to arrive and thought I may as well string it up and start getting the intonation and action. So been strung for about a week and all going well when I noticed yesterday that the neck had opened a small gap on one side of the neck and worse than this the whole rear of the neck pocket has deformed inwards. Neck still seemed solid but worried the tension is going to break the body. Have removed the strings and clamped it to a straight board to try and pull out the deformation and flooded the inside with glue to fill any pockets that may have opened up. Thinking I may have to try to put extra bracing in the neck cavity possibly out of steel for strength but worried about the extra weight.
Anyone have any ideas?
http://i.imgur.com/4e1qkK3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L370yXy.jpg
What sort of glue did you use?
The stuff I was supposed too Titebond.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from Brendan on July 30, 2014, 21:17
What sort of glue did you use?
I think the issue is more the fact the presure is causing the body to distort. The way the neck joint fits there is only a small amount of side area to glue at the front and all base and with that being under 5mm it just isn't taking the strain.
Any suggestions?
Really want this as a player not wall hanger.
How loose was the neck in the pocket? Mine has a huge amount of play and I was considering chocking up the sides because I was wondering about this. Have you emailed DB?
Had a little wiggle room but nothing I could have fitted anything in. T think it is more the design as looking at the way the other kit fits there is way more area for the neck to attach to.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from pablopepper on July 31, 2014, 06:19
How loose was the neck in the pocket? Mine has a huge amount of play and I was considering chocking up the sides because I was wondering about this. Have you emailed DB?
and nah haven't done anything but post here so far. Will rattle off an email tonight when home cheers.
Hi Alan, I've never seen this happen and don't think there's many set neck bass kits so this could be a first this happening. The 3 kits I've built have all been bolt on necks. Obviously a bass neck has alot more tension on the neck and neck pocket than a guitar. So you say you filled the gaps created with more glue ? I'd make sure the gaps are filled with glue and give it 2 or 3 days to dry being winter. Try string it up and see what happens. Bracing with something stronger seems extreme. Hope more glue can solve the problem.
DB may also have ideas on a fix
Here's something interesting, there are legit Rics with set necks. The 4001S.
http://www.rickresource.com/register...0-fullsize.jpg
That section looks pretty close to what you see in the RC-4.
Yeah flooded it with extra glue and will let it sit for a while and see but it wasn't like I was stingy on the glue the first time though. Stuff was squirting out everywhere lol. Will ask db what he thinks but still thinking of a little brace across the front of the neck. There is a space about 10mm before it would interfere with the pup.
Bummer too as it was coming up nice and felt great to play.
Titebond will glue wood in such a way that the bond is stronger than natural wood would typically have, so not sure your glue has failed.
Couple of things spring to mind, and may be obvious and I apologise in advance if you have taken these into account already.
The first is, how tight or loose was the truss rod before stringing up?
How 'finished' was the neck cavity and the neck where the neck was to sit inside the cavity. The neck pocket needs to be fairly 'raw' and a little rough. The section where the neck itself contact the neck pocket should have no finish on it at all and should also be fairly 'rough' (80 grit sandpaper is the finest you should go).
If these were all addressed in the build and glue process, then you possibly have a neck that for one or another reason has warped.
Truss rod was loose when first stringing and only adjusted slowly over a few days to get the strung neck straight.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from Gavin1393 on July 31, 2014, 18:40
Titebond will glue wood in such a way that the bond is stronger than natural wood would typically have, so not sure your glue has failed.
Couple of things spring to mind, and may be obvious and I apologise in advance if you have taken these into account already.
The first is, how tight or loose was the truss rod before stringing up?
How 'finished' was the neck cavity and the neck where the neck was to sit inside the cavity. The neck pocket needs to be fairly 'raw' and a little rough. The section where the neck itself contact the neck pocket should have no finish on it at all and should also be fairly 'rough' (80 grit sandpaper is the finest you should go).
If these were all addressed in the build and glue process, then you possibly have a neck that for one or another reason has warped.
Didn't finish the neck cavity at all so it was as rough as when it came. The heal of the neck may have had a little finish just at the point of where it met the body but nothing past there. I positioned the neck early on and marked it where it sat so I knew where to finish to.
Actually rickenbacker 4001 and 4003 are neck through not set necks it seems so wouldn't have the same stresses.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from pablopepper on July 31, 2014, 11:32
Here's something interesting, there are legit Rics with set necks. The 4001S.
http://www.rickresource.com/register...0-fullsize.jpg
That section looks pretty close to what you see in the RC-4.
Ok probably overkill but didn't want to risk it happening again.
http://i.imgur.com/4ogjg2K.jpg
That's what I thought also, that's why I posted that pic.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from lunaticthighs on August 2, 2014, 22:12
Actually rickenbacker 4001 and 4003 are neck through not set necks it seems so wouldn't have the same stresses.
"All of the 4001, 4003 and 4004 basses have neck-through body construction. The model 4000, many of the 4001S basses and all of the 4005 have set necks. Set necks are necks that are bonded (glued) into a tight neck pocket of the body, like a Gibson Les Paul guitar."
More info here: http://www.joeysbassnotes.com/Fakericks.htm
Well there you go I have learnt a new fact today cheers.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from pablopepper on August 4, 2014, 07:27
That's what I thought also, that's why I posted that pic.Quote:
/<\\/p>[/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/]<\\/p>/Quote from lunaticthighs on August 2, 2014, 22:12
Actually rickenbacker 4001 and 4003 are neck through not set necks it seems so wouldn't have the same stresses.
"All of the 4001, 4003 and 4004 basses have neck-through body construction. The model 4000, many of the 4001S basses and all of the 4005 have set necks. Set necks are necks that are bonded (glued) into a tight neck pocket of the body, like a Gibson Les Paul guitar."
More info here: http://www.joeysbassnotes.com/Fakericks.htm
Mind you if I now can't remember how to tie my shoelaces due to said new fact you are in serious trouble mister :p
Remember when I took that home wine-making course and I forgot how to drive? Haha.