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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    Sand in the direction of the grain, start with 180 and work your way up to 400.
    Use each grit until all the marks from the previous grit have been removed.
    On a flat surfaced Guitar, it helps to use a sanding block so you dont end up with dips and other gremlins

    With the sides, sand in the direction of the rings or lines in the timber, that will enable you to remove any machining marks.

    My rule of thumb when sanding is Sand, sand and sand. Then sand it again and when you are sick of sanding give it to your wife/ partner to sand
    +1 for DB's advice. I also sometimes start sanding a grade or two heavier (150 or 120) to remove really heavy machine marks. You do have to be careful though not to start reshaping the wood.

    You'll know when you have sanded enough as you will be completely over it by then! The reward will be a nice finish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavin1393 View Post
    Body Preparation

    With the body of the guitar it is vitally important if you would like to obtain a great result that the body is prepared with due care and patience.

    If you rush any stage of the preparation it will show up in your finish either as scratches in the wood because you did not sand properly or as swirls because you forgot to use steel wool at the appropriate time.

    Additional things to watch out for particularly if your guitar has binding but also if your kit has a cap are glue spots.
    These can be a bit of a pain to get rid of, but the job is made a lot easier if you follow our suggestions in this thread.

    Also be aware that wood fibres compress and expand and sometimes, by sandpapering over a particular spot you can create area where you will have over polished spots.
    These compressed wood fibre spots will refuse to take a stain finish.

    The best way to discover these spots is to use a damp rag (water) and wipe the guitar body.
    Not only is this a great idea to get rid of fluffy fibres with Basswood but it will highlight any glue or polished issues BEFORE you start applying the finish to your guitar.
    If you discover these polished areas, a gentle scrub with a small wire brush will loosen the fibres and allow the finish to penetrate.

    Solving issues with Glue and with over polishing
    http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...ead.php?t=1838

    Sanding your body and neck of the guitar

    Pit Bull do not recommend Generic Hardware Store Sandpaper, it is generally of poor quality for sanding guitar bodies.
    You can get professional grade sandpaper from Pit Bull Guitars here http://pitbullguitars.com/?product=p...lity-sandpaper

    If you have a basswood body, wet it with a damp cloth before sanding.
    This raises the uneven fluffy wood fibres and while these are raised cut them down with your 180 grit sandpaper. Repeat this process with each grade of sand paper.

    Other bodies, skip this damp cloth step.

    Start your sanding with 180 grit and go over the body and neck thoroughly checking regularly to make sure you are getting rid of any scratches or swirls.

    If you have binding or a cap (flamed maple, spalted maple, for example) be extra careful that you do not sand the cap away at the edges where the cap is thinnest.

    Further, be careful with binding as it is plastic and will scratch easily and is also capable of being sanded too thin very quickly.

    After the 180 grit Pit Bull Guitars highly recommend giving the body a good sand with the 220 and 240 grit making sure to check that any major scratches are removed as you proceed.
    Then go over the body again with Super Fine '0000' steel wool.

    This will prepare the body nicely to absorb the finish, particularly if you are using Dingotone and your finish has a stain colour coat, this needs to be applied before applying the intensifying coat.

    Always make sure you follow the instructions to the letter with your application of Wudtone giving each coat plenty of curing time between coats and where required always make sure you use the steel wool to get rid of dust particles that decide to stick to your finish whilst it was wet, as well as any swirls.

    The rubbing with steel wool also has the effect of keying the surface to give it teeth for the next coat of Dingotone to adhere to.

    Additional comments from DB
    "As for the fluffing up after damp ragging, that is normal and if you were preparing for a French Polish would be desirable, but for Dingotone not so...

    I have found on the kits that I have done that 400 grit is more than enough, you need to leave a reasonable tooth for the Dingotone to grip.

    I start my sanding process with 220 then 320 followed by 400.
    This gives me a nice surface without any deep scratches.

    As Gavin said, super fine steel wool between each coat to remove any streaks or swirls and to create a key for the next coat".

    Preparing the Binding BEFORE applying Dingotone
    If your guitar has binding you will spend ages removing paint from a 'keyed' binding surface if you do not prepare the binding before painting.

    I learned this trick from my good mate and fellow author on this thread DB, here is his trick for keeping the binding clean..

    After sanding, grab some 400 wet and dry and VERY carefully give the bindings a polish.
    Then break out the 600 and repeat.(If you don't have 600 grit, you can polish the binding with steel wool) Then let the Dingotoning begin!

    When you have let each coat dry, a light and VERY careful rub with the steel wool will remove any Dingotone and add to the polish on the binding.

    Do this after each coat and by the time you are at the final coat stage, you wont have to worry as the binding will be as smooth and shiny as a *censored, censored*..... you get the idea!
    So no product is needed for the polishing of the binding simply rub off any stain with steel wool after each coat?

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    Thats it, Joe.

    After sanding I will always carefully polish the binding with 800grit wet and dry just to make the final cleanup easier.

    There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    Thats it, Joe.

    After sanding I will always carefully polish the binding with 800grit wet and dry just to make the final cleanup easier.
    Why oh why didn't i pick a no nonsense no binding no veneer tele for my first build(will be my next one).

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    Hi, I need some directions around gluing the set neck of my SG bass.
    The guide has a url / YouTube link but it's inactive. Can you point me in the right direction? Cheers.

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    Here is a link to all of the video guides http://www.pitbullguitars.com/videos/ and you are right, the youtube vid no longer works???

    Best to follow same procedure for lining things up with a bolt-on neck and put a light pencil mark around where neck protrudes out of the neck pocket as a reference point as to where to stop and/or line things up when gluing and clamping.

    Make sure you triple check scale length as that is most important and hard rectify once things are fully set. Once you are sure you have everything marked out and lined up properly apply a thin spread of tight bond to neck pocket surfaces and same to end of neck heel and gently squeeze it all together. A little bit of excess glue seepage is not such a bad thing as you can wipe that into the joint cracks as you clean it up after clamping. For the clamps you need to have something soft between the claws and the guitar being clamped. Some high density foam rubber (I cut bits from a Yoga Mat) works well and suggest if there is a ribbed surface and a flat to make sure the flat surface sits against the job and the ribbed against clamps to avoid any transfer of the indentations. Also suggest leaving it clamped for a couple of days and then avoid loading up with any string tension for a few more days just to make sure everything has properly set.

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    Space_Bass - Waz is right - best glue to use is an aliphatic type glue - like Titebond - available in Australia through the blue bunnings and otherwise - check local hardware / carpentry shops. The vid was probably taken down as it referenced a PVA based glue, which couldn't cope with the tension from necks and meant there were a few failures (in the early days). Process is pretty much the same though - good glue, good bond, good time to cure and should be a good outcome.

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    Hi Space_Bass, apologies about the video, we do have one in production, which Dingobass has done, just waiting for that to be edited then it will be up on the site.

    There's a good video from our friends at Precision Guitar Kits in the US, which I have been directing people to in the interim.

    It doesn't go into great detail about setting up the scale length, angles, etc, so view this video and read the instructions on this Forum.

    https://youtu.be/cyXOPq1KW4I

    Oh, we have the correct glue available on our site, in 10ml bottles.
    Cheers,

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    Awesome, thank you all for the responses!

    Rob / Space_Bass

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    Hi guys, Just about to start my first build and trying to get everything right in my head first. Two question buried in here...

    Under "Installing the Bolt-on neck" it says to "Wind all the saddles as far forward (towards the pickups) as they will go" when Setting the Scale Length. Is this right? i would have thought you'd want to start with the saddles half way along their travel so you had room to move them either way? I noticed in a later post "Setting up your Intonation" in step 5 is says "When you complete this, the saddles on your bridge should be somewhere in the middle of their adjustment range". I noticed an ealier post saying to just clamp the next on at this stage just to get everything right, so that's what i intend to do.

    The reason i want to get this right early on is because i intend to drill the tele string-thru-holes before i stain. Is this a good idea? (since i also have furrules to install).

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