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    Quote Originally Posted by wazkelly View Post
    Presume that pre dates his time at Thin Lizzy?

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    1984 so probably post Lizzie

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave.king1 View Post
    1984 so probably post Lizzie

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    Yeah post Lizzy. But I also have the DVD of Gary playing with Thin Lizzy in the Sydney Opera House forecourt in '78. (He plays a LP Junior on that one.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fretworn View Post
    Yeah post Lizzy. But I also have the DVD of Gary playing with Thin Lizzy in the Sydney Opera House forecourt in '78. (He plays a LP Junior on that one.)
    Funny how nearly everyone was playing Strat's in the 1st half of 1980's.
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    Yeah, the classic lp's are just too chunky for my liking. Had a play of the ec series ones mentioned above, and they felt so much nicer. Just nicer neck cutaway (not that funky step, bar cheap level), nice weight, etc etc.
    Would definitely be interesting to see how it'd go. As said above, 10% is in theory all that is needed, so a thinner body, pointier horn and a different headstock would in theory get you well out of trouble.
    Make it inlay-less for that extra touch of 'it doesn't have trapezoids, it's definitely not a g'

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    Great thread. We are definitely looking at options for the LP alternative. The one that has the most promise is a "carved" PBG-2 kit. It's an original design (not ours) and not subject to any Trademarks. Also, it's a personal favourite shape of mine, of all the kits we offer. The one DB made for us is a prized possession.

    We can offer all the same options; set/bolted, Humbuckers/P90's, Quilted/Flamed/Spalted veneers, and Black, Chrome Gold hardware.

    Hopefully we will have these available in November.


    Can I also take this opportunity to say: there is no lawsuit, no "protracted legal case" (as I read on Facebook the other day). Neither Gibson nor their lawyers have ever contacted Pit Bull Guitars. We sought our own, independent advice and, on that advice, we decided that the safest option would be to no longer offer LP kits on our site. In short, our decision to remove LP kits was proactive, not reactive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam View Post
    Great thread. We are definitely looking at options for the LP alternative. The one that has the most promise is a "carved" PBG-2 kit. It's an original design (not ours) and not subject to any Trademarks. Also, it's a personal favourite shape of mine, of all the kits we offer. The one DB made for us is a prized possession.

    We can offer all the same options; set/bolted, Humbuckers/P90's, Quilted/Flamed/Spalted veneers, and Black, Chrome Gold hardware.

    Hopefully we will have these available in November.


    Can I also take this opportunity to say: there is no lawsuit, no "protracted legal case" (as I read on Facebook the other day). Neither Gibson nor their lawyers have ever contacted Pit Bull Guitars. We sought our own, independent advice and, on that advice, we decided that the safest option would be to no longer offer LP kits on our site. In short, our decision to remove LP kits was proactive, not reactive.
    I'm not sure how I feel about that shape. It's like a mix between a t and an lp, and it doesn't quite sit well with me. Might be bitter with an arch top though, will have to see.

    Also, another good option for an lp style shape would be the ibanez or jackson versions of the single cut. I think the ibanez ones are similar to the lp thickness wise, but different horn and maybe some bevelling somewhere. Ibanez neck joint, etc.

    I am curious how a lp would be with a tummy, arm and heel access cut. Might look a bit wack though with the arm one especially. But, good options for making that 10%. Though making it work with an arch top and a veneer isn't probably doable

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    Well said Adam.

    Best form of management is proactive, not reactive.

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    First post! So maybe my ideas won't be the best, but... Been reading for a while now, and waiting for the project list to be a little shorter and the wallet to be a little heavier before I dive in and start on my own guitar. My first kit would've been an ES-2V, though I always thought the F Holes were a little long and straight. Even better would be an 'ES' version of that style (i.e. built as a centre block hollow body like a 335 rather than being chambered with F Holes, as per the 'Florentine' style).

    As a prospective buyer, one who'd have bought an ES-2V, and one who's looked around enough to think that a PGB is by far the best option for an Aussie buyer... I'm not 100% on the idea of the PBG-2 carved top. I think the PBG-2 looks great (only going off photos), but it's not a Lester. It's something closer to my Godin (and, um, I love my Godin, but I've already got it!) or maybe a single cut PRS. Which makes me think it may not drag in those who just want that LP shape (which must be a good number of people, given the amount of bolt-on kits that are out there. I mean, a bolt-on LP? I don't care if Epi do one - it's not a real LP!).

    Maybe an idea would be to go with something previously suggested, back when the LP kits were still around.
    If people are looking for a Lester style guitar, then perhaps the Duo Jet/Penguin would be ideal. Their pick ups are arguably the greatest cause of tonal difference (and the main reason LP people complain about them), so having the option to use a more standard (PAF) style pick up and a fixed bridge (as you do on the GR-SF) would get people wanting an LP style guitar across the line.

    My current idea for a first kit (i.e. what I want, not necessarily what would I'd be able to produce to a high standard) would be a GR-SFG (ideally with gold sparkle binding, and painted Cadillac/Irish green, retaining the Tremolo.). Personally, I'd love to build/own one of these. If it had F holes... I'd need a drooling emoji.

    So, it's a neck that's already in PGB's range, it's similar to an LP but it's not an LP (so no avoid issues with those in Chapter 11 land)... Fixing the bridge is a notable change from standard design, I'm thinking the neck joint would also be different (Gretsch don't slot their necks into the body - see here, which also shows the internal chambering), you could always fudge the waist/curves a little (maybe accentuate them a little more?). But then, the GR-SF kit on here doesn't seem to have issues (for now - and hopefully not ever!).

    Just an idea. But I promise I'd be saving my pennies for one...

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    Bankruptcy doesn't mean there aren't lawyers around trying to protect the brand. They would be trying to maintain what remains of the brand image to keep extracting $'s from it. But yes, to me it seems like bad PR by a company that can least afford it.
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    Gibson are in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which means they are still trading but currently protected from creditors whilst they restructure debts and sell off their liabilities. They will probably be cutting back on lawyers costs for brand protection at the moment, but once they come out the other side, I'm sure they'll be back on it.

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