How Guitar Construction Will Change In The Coming Years

[GeneralKaos]

Now lets all have a cold beer!!

[tonyw]

Heres part of the Safety Data Sheet for Tru Oil, and yes extreme caution and PPE should be used when using it.




PPE= personal protective equipment

[dingobass]

Yhep, at least half of those ingredients are toxic and known carcinogens..
Trouble is, most folk think that a small exposure won't harm. Wrong!
The toxins in this stuff are known to be cumalative poisons, i.e.: they NEVER leave your system.
Ergo, small regular exposures will add up to a toxic overload.
Also, if You don't have the correct, fresh filters in your mask, well, ya may as well drink the shite.

But it is the stuff that they don't obviously declare, just use codes to describe that worries me such as the modified oil.. No one knows what the modification is other than the manufacturer.

I have a mate who knows an industrial chemist, I have asked him if he could pull the stuff apart and tell me exactly what's in there...

And to end my side of this debate, I have been talking to a hell of a lot of my colleagues and not one of them will touch the stuff for various reasons, but the main reason is a suspicion that the stuff is just plain wrong with one recurring theme, the label says GUN STOCK oil... And the stock makers I know won't use it either, most have their own recipe..
Then I jumped on a few forums and it seems that very few serious US based custom gun stock makers use it either..

[tonyw]

I just threw the last of mine out, had it awhile, been there done that. I will do the 12string in wipe on poly, then i might give your new stuff a go on either my 52 spec tele (TV Yellow) or my Carbronita, i am thinking seafoam green???? then i might try a Beatle Bass off PBG using only natural finishes available here.

Getting ahead of myself as usual...

[andrewdosborne]

Yhep, at least half of those ingredients are toxic and known carcinogens..
Trouble is, most folk think that a small exposure won't harm. Wrong!
The toxins in this stuff are known to be cumalative poisons, i.e.: they NEVER leave your system.
Ergo, small regular exposures will add up to a toxic overload.
Also, if You don't have the correct, fresh filters in your mask, well, ya may as well drink the shite.

But it is the stuff that they don't obviously declare, just use codes to describe that worries me such as the modified oil.. No one knows what the modification is other than the manufacturer.

I have a mate who knows an industrial chemist, I have asked him if he could pull the stuff apart and tell me exactly what's in there...

And to end my side of this debate, I have been talking to a hell of a lot of my colleagues and not one of them will touch the stuff for various reasons, but the main reason is a suspicion that the stuff is just plain wrong with one recurring theme, the label says GUN STOCK oil... And the stock makers I know won't use it either, most have their own recipe..
Then I jumped on a few forums and it seems that very few serious US based custom gun stock makers use it either..

Again wise words from DB - I also know people who have suffered immensely with chemical exposure. I've been guilty of using various toxic products over the years, we recently had a big chemical clear-out at home (disposed of correctly..)

Weeding the garden is now a wholesome family group activity where everyone can join in safely!

[dingobass]

Yep, best to leave the garden Chemicals alone...
My Miss Fe is a Horticulturist and she has been avoiding roundup and such stuff for a few years now.
Recently began using pelargonic acid, smells like vinegar and it smashes weeds fast! Only draw back is you need to hit it every other day for a week or so but at least it won't kill Frogs or the user..
Since we stopped using roundup in our garden we have experienced a massive Frog population explosion

Best to leave the application of any synthetic poisons to those who have the qualifications and correct safety gear... I am sure that's something Tony will agree with me on 100%.

[tonyw]

Oh yeah leave them well alone, people should have certificates and training just to buy that stuff but anyone can truck into the green shed and buy what they want. My last exams in September just for Auschem and Vetchem was 400 pages in a day, and you had to get 100% to pass.

I have certificates in Horticulture and Agriculture (jobs that put food on the table when music didnt), i cant even put a drop of Glyphosate (roundup and many other brand names) on a daisy without having a log of when i used it, how i used it, humidity, temperature,wind speed, how much was there when i went and got some and how much was left after i used it, how its stored etc etc.

[wazkelly]

Just a shame that DT Mk1 is so susceptible to humidity related issues otherwise I would have persisted rather than resort to using TO for the top coats.

As for the gardening, totally agree as the only weedkiller allowed is me with a weeding fork. Not a greenie but fully understand why organic is best. For those who don't know, if buying frozen veges buy aussie made only (Birds Eye), not product of.... (most others) and not NZ as most of theirs is backyard Chinese imported shite encrusted crud loaded full of chemicals western countries banned last century. Does anyone remember recent Chinese berries that had to be recalled? NZ OHS standards are way lower than ours and sadly safety standards are not a high priority in many Asian countries either. Don't get me started on the Yanks as what they have done with food production is poisoning millions of their population.
Agriculture and food security will soon become the next boom industry.

[Tweaky]

Well since this topic is about how guitars will be built in the future.
Check out this video of the building of French based, Sauvge 'one piece master' guitar. [10k euro]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3bCWXJvrM8

A seven string version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QORO2tyWow


Then checkout the video of their lower ranged Wild Custom guitars...the Baroness Iron top silverburst...look to the right behind the guitarist, you can see the one piece in it's unique stand...the single block of wood it was carved from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG86MBccwAA

[dingobass]

Very interesting. I have often thought about building a one piece Guitar but the one thing that has put me off is the worry that it might not be very stable...
Then I see these guys building one out of a chunk of flat sawn tree..
Might have to re visit the concept..

Thanks for that Tweaky