How Guitar Construction Will Change In The Coming Years

[tonyw]

Its certainly is hazardous and dangerous and if your like me you read labels and wear protective clothing, but no where near as harmful as shooting nitro for instance. I have an Agricultural Chemical Users Permit, required for the use of restricted chemicals stipulated by the APVMA and this stuff in comparison to what i handle when i work on properties is nothing. I see people walking around happily spraying roundup in their shorts and thongs, nothing is going to stop stupidity where chemicals are concerned, by the way there's never been a death from tru oil in its 30years of manufacture.

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I am interested in using that new beta Dingo kit you will be selling though, i have 2 teles in progress.

[wazkelly]

Interesting debate and not one that everyone can agree on.

I will hang a couple of thoughts out there for some more educated than me to provide their explanations.

With Gibson's why does the sound vary between most of their guitars if using same PUP's and hardware? LP's sound much meatier than SG and that probably has something to do with body mass as they are mostly made from mahogany, and as you move through the range Explorer sounds way different to Flying V, again body mass may be the culprit and also some of these did use different timber.

With Fender when you compare their 2 main guitars being Strat & Tele, why then on Bridge PUP can you tell which one is the Tele as essentially they are using similar spacing and positioning of that rear PUP? Maybe is it body mass at work again?

How about hollow bodies? Thin ones sound completely different to thick body ones such as ES335 vs White Falcon? Is that the timber talking or something else. Now I know the argument will take off in a different direction as these 2 examples use totally different PUP's however my point is that thin hollow bodies also produce a thinner sound hence why a lot of old timer jazz players used fat bodied axes.

I am no expert, just a pen pusher by day and occasionally get my hands dirty playing with timber in my time off. The only thing I do know is what is pleasant to my ear and when evaluating an axe always close my eyes to hear the guitar, not look at what it was constructed from, and once having tuned into it's unique voice then had a look at what was contributing to that sound. Yes, electronics can help but also disguise what is really going on.

[tonyw]

Waz with the fender tele and the strat bridge there are alot of differences in the winding and the construction of the pickups and a tele neck is wound with thinner wire 43AWG the bridge has a large plate, lots of eddys floating around.

Now to do a true A B you need 2 exact guitars say a strat with different bodies say Ash and a one made with a packing crate with the exact same pickups and wiring harness to get some idea.

If i play guitar A LP with P90 then play an SG P90 is everthing going to be identical?, my string attack the string vibrating over the pickup height, are these identical? are the pots identical some gibs have 300k pots, is the inductance of both pickups identical, everything must be identical except the wood being used to even start to perceive there is a difference.

If people can hear a difference more power to them, its debated over and over and over, i am in the wood tone doesnt make any difference in an electric guitar, and dont get me going on pickups sprinkled with fairy dust, that some rollers carry on with, thats the area i have studied most over 45yrs+ and they make me cringe with the rubbish they come out with.

Anyway there's plenty of guitar A vs guitar B on youtube and i dont need to back my case on a forum, its what i believe and wont be changed on it until proven otherwise.

At the end of the day i dont really care if people ask me to build a guitar with a 200 yr old piece of pine because its the best stuff in the world, hey who am i to disagree with them, you want brand A pups put in sure in they go, you give the customer what he wants but if asked i will say my thoughts on this are yadyadayada.

Now i am about to wind a strat pup off a Squire affinity for a young bloke because it sounds like dogs poo, replace the pole pieces with A5 and wind it to early strat spec the charge the pole pieces, it should sound like a strat pup when i am finshed about 6.3k about 8000 turns around 1957 specs.

[wazkelly]

All good points there Tony. Just wonder where the industry will be in another 10 - 20 years with all the technology advancement. There is so much simulated virtual sounding stuff either built-in, such as in my Vox VT40+, and then all the plug your axe into a computer simulation stuff. Still remember the good old days when plugging into a late 60's to mid 70's era Marshall with 4 x12" 25w Celestions in a slant front box was a truly unique sound. Sadly that is now too often found in all this simulated stuff that young folks may never have experienced the sound pressure waves from playing that loud nor the awesome feedback that was easily achieved. Back then you could easily pick the difference between an overdriven valve amp compared to an overdriven tranny one. Not so sure you get that level of distinction by plugging into a computer?

[keloooe]

My band love to actually plug in to something, we just love that fully raw feeling of having an actual amp there!

[dave.king1]

The buzz you get from standing in front of a stack with 8x12 is enormous but the bloody cicadas that now hang around 24/7 40 years later are a proper pain in the 'arris

[wazkelly]

The buzz you get from standing in front of a stack with 8x12 is enormous but the bloody cicadas that now hang around 24/7 40 years later are a proper pain in the 'arris

Sorry Dave, can't hear a thing above the ringing in my ears haha.

Played a short while with some heavy metal head bangers in 1984 and we all had Marshalls. We rehearsed so loud that my ears would be ringing for 2 - 3 days and was the main reason I quit after just 3 months with them. Thankfully no permanent damage and hearing is still OK for a bloke my age.

Hey Kels, glad to hear about some youngsters getting into the Organic method of pure raw power because if you have a real drummer you need some grunt to be heard above all their racket.

[dingobass]

Of course the manufacturer isn't going to implicate themselves in any ill health issues that may be caused by using their product.
Especially if said company is from the USA.
For instance, look at the trauma 245D has caused.. I can remember the rep coming to the farm trying to sell the stuff, he said it was so safe you could drink it. Dear old Granfather calmly said, "go on then" funny enough, the bloke declined. He was never welcomed on the farm again...
And then for years the manufacturing company denied any health risk a or illness linked to the evil stuff. We now know the truth.
So can we actually trust what these companies tell us?
No.

However, after talking to my old friend the gun stock builder I discovered he had a close friend (another stock builder) who died from cancer which was directly linked to some of the ingredients in said product.
Interesting as he had only ever worked with timber, had no contact with any of the chemicals involved except with said product.

If that doesn't make folk wonder then I guess nothing will.

BTW, I agree with your observations re idiots and roundup etc..... Ya can't fix stupid but ya can medicate it

[keloooe]

Hey Kels, glad to hear about some youngsters getting into the Organic method of pure raw power because if you have a real drummer you need some grunt to be heard above all their racket.

Yeah our amps definitely push some air, thankfully we all have custom earplugs! Surprised the neighbors don't actually care, but if we have a show coming up we hire out a full rehearsal room for even more volume

[tonyw]

Heres 2 tracks of mine

Acoustic: now lay some crud sounding acoustic guitar on me on me and i will throw the guitar back at you.

My very old acoustic straight into an SM 57 the guitar is dropped to low C and we are live in the studio, you can hear the timbre of the guitar, thats guitar tone, wood tone etc.

https://soundcloud.com/tdwatkins/naturally

Lets gun the bejeezuss out of it with my live band in the same studio with electric guitars cranked, i reckon the guitar on the right is made out of fairy dust and tru grit yep i can hear it

https://soundcloud.com/tdwatkins/made-up-my-mind