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    The pickup ring should currently sit around the outside of the pickup rout. If you move the neck further into the body, you'll loose the little edge by the neck that the ring sits on and the ring will be sitting off-centre. The pickup routs on those kits aren't the most generous - especially for after-market pickups which seem to come with wider tabs than the PBG kit ones - so you'll probably need to do some enlarging to get the pickups sitting well in the routs without touching the sides.

    Have you checked the neck measurements yet? No point putting it together with high-value hardware if there's a dodgy fret installation.

    On to that harness:

    You are going to need to bend those capacitor legs so that they both face outwards, otherwise they'll be right under the f-hole and very obvious.

    You'll still need to make up a bit more of the wiring harness yourself, for the jack and the pickup selector switch, so still use a bit of cardboard to do it so that you can minimise wiring lengths. Some wiring will need to run around the outside of the pots as you'll still need to keep the U-shape of the existing harness to avoid wires running across the f-hole. The harness is designed for a LP, so the hole spacings on their plastic sheet may not correspond exactly with those of the kit.

    And you may have a really hard job (possibly impossible) getting those pots in through the holes. They are very tall and when you come to fit them, the whole height of the pot, including the shaft, will need to fit almost upright the body space. You can angle them over a lot to start with, but when you come to actually trying to pull them through, they will need to be almost upright to do so. And at a slight angle, they are still almost as tall overall because of the switch body.

    Measure the total pot+shaft length (without its knob attached) and compare that to the thickness of the body at the two bridge control pot hole positions, taking off 10mm (2x5mm) for the thickness of the wood, to give the height available to you to work in. If you've got room to spare, then good. If your a couple of mm short, then you just might do it (with a lot of swearing), but anything over that and I don't think you'll do it.

    I've got a 1995 JP Model LP with that set-up, and I occasionally use the coil taps (to avoid swapping guitars) and only use the 'pickups out of phase' switch if I am doing a Peter Green track that needs it, but could live without it (it is a very thin and quacky sound). I never use the parallel switch (or whatever it is) on the bridge tone control (very weedy sounding). So if you find that you can't get that harness installed, you could try looking at getting a couple of standard pots and a couple of switched pots just for coil tapping (which should be a much shorter overall length) and just have (what I think are) the most useful features. Then buy a LP kit and fit the JP harness to that, as it was designed to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salo View Post
    Thanks Wazkelly. How did you get out of that one?
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    Being a solid body made it a little bit easier as I had to shape up some timber pieces to go down in the mounting screw holes to act like spacers. I then drilled 2 holes either side of the original mounting screw hole in case I wanted to swap them out at a later date and proceeded to screw both PUP's into these custom made spacer/anchoring points. First attempt was too low and ended up dropping in a 6mm ply bit of timber cut to the exact shape of the PUP hole and then screwed down through that.

    It was a right proper PIA, very fiddly, but the stripped back look was worth it in the end.

    Not sure if you could pull this off on a ES type guitar and as I don't own one cannot comment.

    Some alternatives that went through my mind were to use rose wood timber PUP mounting rings and cut the neck one to fit around where the neck meets the body. Like most things these are available on eBay and also Real Parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zandit75 View Post
    Do you mind if I ask how much the wiring harness set you back?
    Great looking setup!
    It cost me $80 plus $7.95 postage from eBay -au2015_mwd3828sezm@members.ebay.com.au . The good part was it only took 4 days to get to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wokkaboy View Post
    nice wiring harness Salo, so that's how you bought it pre-wired ?

    hope those bulky push pull pots fit through the F hole ? I'd say they will but it will be tight.

    The pups you ordered sound good too !
    Hi Wokkaboy. Yet, thats how I got them. I looked at the size and I agree it will be a tight fit. If they don't, I have plan B. Amongst my collect of guitars, I also have a 2000 model LP Studio that will be the grateful recipient of the harness and PUs.

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    Hi Simon. You've certainly raised a number of issues that I hadn't thought of. I may have to rethink my options. As I said to Wokkaboy, I may just upgrade my LP Studio model and use the pots and PU in the ES. I've printed off the SM fret scale and will do some measurements this weekend. Thanks mate.

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    Hi Simon. I've done as you suggested and actually measured the frets compared to the Stewmac calculator. It has shown that the frets are all out compared to the calculator and when added together from the nut gives me a scale of over 630 up to the bridge but much longer to bridge string position.

    I have sent a PM to Adam and will await his response.

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    My eyes didn't deceive me then! A shame when that happens, but most necks are sent out are correct. But it does prove the benefit of having a build diary.

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    Hi Everyone. As a result of my PM to Adam, Adam kindly invited me to his house (I don't live far from Adam) and did some comparisons and measurements with the neck and body. I can report that there is nothing wrong with the neck scale, it is within the parameters. There is some minor issues with the body heel, but that is cosmetic. I can now get on with it.

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    good stuff Salo so you met the Tele-napper.
    Glad you sorted out the issue.
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    I did mate. I made sure not to mention my lake placid blue Telecaster

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