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    I forgot just how massive those Q's are!
    Nice job on the wireing Doc, if I may throw my 1.25cents worth in, it isnt necessary to earth pot to pot when you have done such a beautiful job with the shielding as it acts as an earth for you. But it cant hurt..

    Now, with the amount of time taken on builds..
    Sanding... Sanding sanding sanding..... Thats where the money shot lays... I am soooooo pedantic about sanding it can take a few full days just to get a body right.
    1: I never use Roy Orbison sanders, they always leave tiny swirl scratches that can be a bugger to remove. The paper you get for most of the brand name orbos with velcro fasteners is to say the least, crap.
    2: Never use paper brought from any of the BSFOS or the $2 shop. It will be crap, even the Norton papers I have brought from the shed was not as good as what I get from a specialist paper supplier.
    Maybe it is just my pure hatred for the BGSFOS projecting onto the papers or, as I suspect, they buy the stuff that would normally get binned for not passing QC or stuff that is made just for them. IE: cheap crap because thats all the BSFOS want to sell, cheap crap.
    3: The sanding process... I will start with either 180 or if things are really ropey, 120 grit.
    Then up through the grits to a minimum of 400.
    I hold the body up to the light and stare at it from every angle known, plus I invent a few new angles as well
    If I can see so much as one tiny line that shouldnt be there it gets sanded again.
    Once I am happy with it, I will then go down a few grades of grit depending on the finish I am using.
    For DT 400 grit is fine but for Nitro I will go back over it with either 340 or 220 grit. This depends on the timber. Open grained timbers I will go 340, tight or closed grain 220.
    I know it sounds counter productive to sand to a high grit then go back over with a coarser one but it eliminates all deep scratches and gives a really nice surface for the finish.

    Yes, I am anally retentive. But when someone is paying me 3-6k for a custom Guitar, they deserve nothing less.
    Sanding rant over. I need more coffee.

    There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    I forgot just how massive those Q's are!
    Nice job on the wireing Doc, if I may throw my 1.25cents worth in, it isnt necessary to earth pot to pot when you have done such a beautiful job with the shielding as it acts as an earth for you. But it cant hurt..

    Now, with the amount of time taken on builds..
    Sanding... Sanding sanding sanding..... Thats where the money shot lays... I am soooooo pedantic about sanding it can take a few full days just to get a body right.
    1: I never use Roy Orbison sanders, they always leave tiny swirl scratches that can be a bugger to remove. The paper you get for most of the brand name orbos with velcro fasteners is to say the least, crap.
    2: Never use paper brought from any of the BSFOS or the $2 shop. It will be crap, even the Norton papers I have brought from the shed was not as good as what I get from a specialist paper supplier.
    Maybe it is just my pure hatred for the BGSFOS projecting onto the papers or, as I suspect, they buy the stuff that would normally get binned for not passing QC or stuff that is made just for them. IE: cheap crap because thats all the BSFOS want to sell, cheap crap.
    3: The sanding process... I will start with either 180 or if things are really ropey, 120 grit.
    Then up through the grits to a minimum of 400.
    I hold the body up to the light and stare at it from every angle known, plus I invent a few new angles as well
    If I can see so much as one tiny line that shouldnt be there it gets sanded again.
    Once I am happy with it, I will then go down a few grades of grit depending on the finish I am using.
    For DT 400 grit is fine but for Nitro I will go back over it with either 340 or 220 grit. This depends on the timber. Open grained timbers I will go 340, tight or closed grain 220.
    I know it sounds counter productive to sand to a high grit then go back over with a coarser one but it eliminates all deep scratches and gives a really nice surface for the finish.

    Yes, I am anally retentive. But when someone is paying me 3-6k for a custom Guitar, they deserve nothing less.
    Sanding rant over. I need more coffee.


    That's alright mate, you're right, I probably didn't need to earth the pots, my philosophy is that it's better to have something and not need it than to not have it and need it a lot, I have had guitars in the past where the earthing foil had worn through where the pot mounts through the scratchplate, and caused a bad hum problem, so if you earth the pots together like I've done, the foil can still wear through but there'll still be a good earth connection, of course not everyone will wire-up a guitar the same way, most people will have their preferred method, and there's nothing wrong with that.



    I just read your reply to my pm, when the Strat body has dried I might consider giving it a good sand and apply a couple of coats of the neck finish I talked about in my pm.


    I still have a couple of sheets of 400 grit sandpaper, and maybe some 320 grit, I might try doing as per your post.
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    All you will need to do is give it a very light scuff sand with the 400, just level it out and give it some tooth..
    Or, you could go supa nutzo and give it a few more days and then wet sand it to get that baby smooth as a babies bum

    There is always a workaround for glitches, mistakes and other Guitar building gremlins.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNomis_44 View Post
    That's alright mate, you're right, I probably didn't need to earth the pots, my philosophy is that it's better to have something and not need it than to not have it and need it a lot, I have had guitars in the past where the earthing foil had worn through where the pot mounts through the scratchplate, and caused a bad hum problem, so if you earth the pots together like I've done, the foil can still wear through but there'll still be a good earth connection, of course not everyone will wire-up a guitar the same way, most people will have their preferred method, and there's nothing wrong with that.
    I always wire across the pots Doc, as you say it eliminates any troubles in the future, but i dont go nutzo on the shielding either.

    Once you connect the earth to the string claw thats really enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingobass View Post
    All you will need to do is give it a very light scuff sand with the 400, just level it out and give it some tooth..
    Or, you could go supa nutzo and give it a few more days and then wet sand it to get that baby smooth as a babies bum


    It'd be cool if I could get it to the point where it's glossy-smooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyw View Post
    I always wire across the pots Doc, as you say it eliminates any troubles in the future, but i dont go nutzo on the shielding either.

    Once you connect the earth to the string claw thats really enough.


    I suppose I probably didn't need to put all that copper foil on the back of the scratchplate, then again it's not really going to hurt anything either.

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    no harm Doc, at least you know with the copper shielding the pots will be earthed. Page 63 mate you think you can reach 100 pages ?
    Current Builds and status
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    JBA-4 - assembled - final tweaks
    Telemonster double scale tele - finish tobacco burst on body and sand neck

    Completed builds
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    MK-2 Mosrite - assembled - play in
    Ash tele with Baritone neck - neck pup wiring tweaks and play in

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    Later on this afternoon, I'll get to it and do some pics for the Soldering mini-tutorial, in the mini-tutorial, I'll be describing how I go about preparing wire for soldering to a solder-terminal, and my method for making a good solder-joint, so stay tuned for more updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wokkaboy View Post
    no harm Doc, at least you know with the copper shielding the pots will be earthed. Page 63 mate you think you can reach 100 pages ?

    I'll definitely give it my best shot to get to 100 pages, this afternoon I'll be taking some pics for the mini-tutorial on Soldering, I'll also include a step by step pictorial of how I go about setting up my Strat once it's ready for final assembly.


    That should be good for a fair few pages, I only need another 37 to make it to 100.

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    haha that's the spirit Doc !
    Current Builds and status
    scratch end grain pine tele - first clear coat on !
    JBA-4 - assembled - final tweaks
    Telemonster double scale tele - finish tobacco burst on body and sand neck

    Completed builds
    scratch oak.rose gum Jazzmaster - assembled needs setup
    MK-2 Mosrite - assembled - play in
    Ash tele with Baritone neck - neck pup wiring tweaks and play in

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