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So as you can see on my first veneer top, these damn glue lines popped out when I applied the stain. Bugger.
I have plans to do an LP with a flame top and DON'T want this to happen again.
Any tips and tricks to stop this happened again without sanding through the veneer or scratching the hell out of the top?
Any contributions are greatly appreciated.
Goo off is a product oft recommended. Never used it myself, but it is apparently the business.
I have actually found that sanding them is the way to go - but super carefully due to thinness of the cap ,as you know
A few people have posted that if you try goof off and it doesn't work, then use a wire brush to coarse up the veneer around the glue bits so that stain will take into the wood.
Never tried it myself though.
Should work as it's the glue that's sealing the surface, so you need to break that seal. Again, dampening the wood after each cleaning attempt (better using metho or turps than water) should show up any areas that still require work. If the fluid can penetrate the wood under any remaining glue, then so will the stain.
Could be an issue with Dingo Tone though, best check with DB firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Simon Barden
I would avoid using water to check for the dreaded glue spots, it may cause the veneer to bubble and that will cause bad language.
Best to wipe down with pure gum terpentine.
As for removing glue spots, goofoff works a treat from all accounts.
Thanks for the advice guys. Very helpful.
I was concerned about how to remove the glue without leaving the veneer vulnerable to bubbling or leaving a deep trough, but I guess that could be filled with Timbermate or something equivalent?
Goo Off (looking at the product description), should simply dissolve the glue, leaving no trough. Just need to be careful it doesn't penetrate too far and dissolve the glue holding the veneer on. So use in moderation. Multiple passes rather than one big one.
Yup. Moderation. Always moderation. Except for the n+1 rule where guitars are concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Barden
I've been relatively lucky not to have come across gluelines in my guitar builds.
Thanks Simon.
Number 1 rule?? Is that the one about the number of guitars owned or how loud you play??
Thats one of the factors Causing me angst with the Cliche LP build. Unbidden Flamed Veneer with ZERO glue issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrNomis_44
I had a couple on the EXA-1 which basically had to be wire brushed off, and they weren't so bad but id hate it with a nice quilted or flamed top. You'd have to be so very careful in treating it.
I have used a simple steelo pad before.
Simon, I hope you are writing a book, encyclopedia or bible with all your knowledge. Thanks for your contributions and willingness to share your experiences.
Seems like there are a wealth of ideas to match the wealth of dangers with thin veneers. I will just have to save and wait till I see the next build land on my doorstep.
Thanks everyone for the help.
Frankie, I see you see what I see. Just hate to destroy a nice top then have to go with a solid colour.....although a goldtop?? Hmmm.
Yeah, never been a huge gold top enthusiast, though they do look schmick. Its having seen Depicted minds LP come up so well with that dark burst that drives a nail into the Blacked out LP plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILRGuitars
No rush on that though, i still have an EXA-1 to finish and the SV-1 before I have to find something else to do. (---and The Frankenwashie resurrection, and a Baritone Scratchie and a naked TLA....)
Hi buddy, I have used Goof Off on a couple of builds and mostly on my Blue Flame top Tele which had a few stubborn ones where I ended up using a wire brush.
BIG CAUTION - wire brushing can dig deeper grooves than you realise and best to keep persisting with multiple applications of Goof Off. It has an almost Acetone smell and dissolves the blue rubber gloves after a while so best not to get the stuff on your bare skin and reckon it might even melt away your top coats around the area you are trying to fix.
Under GOTM I suggested a thin black line on decal transfer paper and thinking more about it using a dark blue as close to the stain colour might work better on transfer paper. Downside is that it would require a few more clear top coats to hide the edges of the decal transfer.
N+1 rule of guitars about how many guitars you need to own at any point in time, where N=current number of guitars owned. Always just one more.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILRGuitars
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Originally Posted by Simon Barden
I tend to work on the theory that you actually need at least N+1 guitars in your collection so that you don't then end up with N non-functional guitars due to such things as broken strings and etc, but then you also need to factor-in Entropy (Randomness) too, this can take the form of having to play a gig at short-notice, or a mate needs to borrow a guitar from you cause his band is playing at his sister's wedding, or some other special occasion, and his guitar is currently being worked on due to some random reason.
The same theory could be applied to things like sets of strings (it's a pain when you break one, or more, of the strings on your guitar and you don't have any more spares, and the music shop is closed cause it's Sunday afternoon), even amps are not immune to the above theory, something as mundane as a 9V battery is also subject to the above theory as well, basically when deciding how many of a certain thing you need, always err on the side of one extra.
Cheers Waz. The decal paper ideas is good one. A few more coats of TO is no problem so I love the stuff. TO coats are like Pringles...I can't stop at one. A wire brush flashes big warning signs in my head. I'm a mechanic by trade so I know what those things can do! I think I will just leave it now and be ready for the next build.
My Number 1 rule: Never lend a mate a guitar!!! I had a nice Ovation 20 years ago that I paid some serious money for. I lent to a mate...last I saw of him and the guitar.
n+1. Hmmm. I think I might work on w+1 where w is the number of guitars I want. That gives me far more guitars than I actually need. More volume than I actually need, etc. I think you might see a pattern here.
Yeah, lending guitars and equipment to mates can ruin good friendships as once returned they tend to feel somewhat violated, that is if they are ever returned at all.