Help - problem with stain

Hi DB, got a problem I hope you can help with. I have bought some stained from Wudtone in the UK, which arrived as a base coat, deep colour coat and a top coat. The colour is azure lagoon, which according to Wudtone goes from turquoise for blue the more coats you apply. I have applied 2 base coats and 5 deep colour coats and it is still green. I have contacted Wudtone who say that the base coat should go on last, before the top coat - which makes no sense to me. They seem unable to offer any further help. Have you got any suggestions as to how I can remedy the situation please, as I am trying to achieve a colour similar to your Bondi blue.

Cheers
Alan

Hi Alan, the last batch of azure lagoon I used (this was 2 or more years ago) was more green than blue, even the first batch I used the colour is more green than blue now (yes the colour has faded over time). I heard stories Wudtone used less dye in their stains to cut costs. I wouldn't go near it with a bargepole. They had a sour parting with PBG.
If you are after a more blue colour I would look at other dyes or stains that are hopefully compatible. You may have to sand some of the wudtone off.
You can see in the support that Wudtone have given you they don't care since they have your money. It's a pity I presume you can't get Dingotone shipped to where you are, are you in UK ?
Some of my other builds using wudtone have faded over time, especially the purple stain. DB will never reply this post as he is too disgusted with the treatment PBG got from them

Hi Alan.
There are a few things with that particular finish that I shall not name to take into account.
Firstly, as Woks pointed out, the finish in question has been made as cheaply as possible and the end result is a very watery colour.
Then add to this the colour will be influenced by the timber. If you have a Basswood body it will tend to turn the blue to green due to the timber already having a greenish yellow tint.
Another problem that they wont tell you about is if you use the "ageing" final coat, this too will turn the blue to green due to the yellow pigmentation in this so called ageing final coat.
And yes, the product description is as clear as mud... you aren't the first and won't be the last to get them mixed up. Woks will attest to this :)

My only suggestion is to rip them a new opening and make a huge fuss. The very least they should do is send you a replacement kit and clear instructions on the correct application methods.
Sorry you have not had decent help from them, but it doesn't surprise me at all as the guy is a total tosser, numpty and a massive muppet.

The veiws and opinions voiced in this post are my personal views, and in no way are linked to PBG management.

Haha well said DB

seriously...you are supposed to put BASE coat last? That sounds so wrong as to be almost malicious.

Yhep.. it takes a very special type of special to come up with that kind of arse about product description.

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Originally Posted by dingobass

Hi Alan.
There are a few things with that particular finish that I shall not name to take into account.
Firstly, as Woks pointed out, the finish in question has been made as cheaply as possible and the end result is a very watery colour.
Then add to this the colour will be influenced by the timber. If you have a Basswood body it will tend to turn the blue to green due to the timber already having a greenish yellow tint.
Another problem that they wont tell you about is if you use the "ageing" final coat, this too will turn the blue to green due to the yellow pigmentation in this so called ageing final coat.
And yes, the product description is as clear as mud... you aren't the first and won't be the last to get them mixed up. Woks will attest to this :)

My only suggestion is to rip them a new opening and make a huge fuss. The very least they should do is send you a replacement kit and clear instructions on the correct application methods.
Sorry you have not had decent help from them, but it doesn't surprise me at all as the guy is a total tosser, numpty and a massive muppet.

The veiws and opinions voiced in this post are my personal views, and in no way are linked to PBG management.

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Hey DB thanks for clearing something that had me stumped regards the Blue turning green found that to be my recent experince but but didnt know why...

Hi Alan, sorry to hear about the bad Wudtone experience.

A cheap and simple solution might be to use inkjet ink as DT is not an option for people living outside Australia. Check out my Tele in the link in my signature to see if that is more like the colour you are after.

DB is right in that Basswood does have a rather greenish tinge lurking in the background and that came to the fore on the back of the Tele which doesn't bother me one bit.

Thanks everyone for your comments. My first reaction is to cut my losses and kick wudtone into touch. I don't think it's even worth trying to get a new set of stain out of them if it's going to fade in time anyway. I might as well try and find some other supplier, sand this stuff off and start again. All in the learning curve I guess. Watch this space - will let you know how it devolops.

Hey Wazkelly, is it the dark blue tele you're showing me. Love the colour - wouldn't mind knowing how you do it with inkjet ink ! !

Hi Andy, for the flame popping I used cyan inkjet printer ink mixed 50:50 with water, left 24 hours to dry and then used a damp rag to wipe off as much of the ink as possible before applying the second coat. Surprised at how dark that stuff is out of the bottle and had to dilute it to get the lighter colour and by using this method saved heaps of time by not having to dry sand the body anywhere near as much. Here is a shot from that thread.....Attachment 13650

Thank, will have a look at that

Wish I had seen this thread earlier... I'm just going to do the Wudtone Azure blue on a maple top, we will see how it turns out...
I also made a mistake with my first Wudtone dye kit... put a base coat on first... should have been the deep colour coat, but it turned out ok in the end..

Hi

I have just used my first Wudtone kit. The instructions are quite clear that if your kit contains a Deep Colour coat then you put that on first (it is a bit misleading unless you look at it in the context of the instructions).

Only thing I found with Wudtone was that i could have done with a little bit more deep colour in the kit. Had 1 deep colour coat (used it all), two base coats (used 1.5) and extra gloss top coat (used just over half doing 4 coats)

As with PBG you have to sign up to the forum to get the instructions.

Why oh why cant people just provide printed instructions with kits and even a DVD with Videos on?

For info I have included part of the instructions (I marked them so I would not forget it when I was doing the staining)

Good luck with recovering the situation

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Originally Posted by dingobass

Hi Alan.

Sorry you have not had decent help from them, but it doesn't surprise me at all as the guy is a total tosser, numpty and a massive muppet.

The veiws and opinions voiced in this post are my personal views, and in no way are linked to PBG management.

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All I will say is that I have spoken to Andy at Wudtone on a couple of occasions and he has been very pleasant and helpful.

As with a number of companies, you approach them with problems with their products and you hear nothing back ;)

The first mistake was mine not Wudtones, Andy had sent me via e-mail a copy of the instructions, I read them, 2 days later got stuck into staining, newbie mistake took base coat as being the first, only realised after I had done it and re read the instructions.
When I got my first stain to be honest I thought the bottle were on the small side, however, so far so good, had some left over on each of the 3 kits so far, don't know whether to keep these to one side or try a mix up of them all to see what comes from it

Always worth experimenting when the chips are down lol