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Hi guys,
Next kit is going to be a TLA-1 Ash body. I've built one other tele style with a Bigsby but not a hardtail.
Is the bridge plate ok to use or am I better upgrading to something else? Another question, what other saddles have you upgraded to so the intonation can be set using a 3 saddle bridge?
Thanks guys..
One question is whether you either want a top-loading bridge, or else whether you want to drill holes through the body, fit rear ferrules and have traditional through-strung set-up. The standard kit bridges are top-loading types, which are supposed to have a slightly janglier sound then the rear-loading bridges.
Traditional ashtray bridge styles have a different footprint to the flat-plate style bridges (and those can differ a bit as well in screw placement and through-hole locations), though the pickup rout should be in the same location for both styles. You may have to do a bit of pickup cavity enlargement if you fit an aftermarket pickup, though you may have to do that anyway as the bridge pickup routing is a bit smaller than it could be on the TL and could benefit from being a mm or so further forwards towards the neck. This also helps the saddles not having to be right forwards at the very end of the adjustment screws.
But sorting the rout is nothing a Dremel drum sanding attachment won't cure in a minute or two.
Personally I'm a sucker for traditional 3-saddle bridges, though the saddle material will make a much bigger difference to the sound than whether you've got three or six saddles. I've played USA six-saddle Teles, and I much prefer the three saddle guitars.
I've got two Teles with ashtray bridges, flat barrel saddles, and one with Wilkinson brass compensated saddles. Somehow all three intonate acceptably. Maybe a couple of strings are just out, but not a long way out. Obviously six-saddle bridges you can intonate exactly.
Obviously string gauge will gave an effect on pre-compensated saddles, as what will be right for one gauge + make of strings won't be quite right for a different gauge + make. I use D'Addario 10s and they seem to work OK. Action height will also have an effect on the required intonation positions, but it's hard to say exactly by how much.
Here's a case of a near opposite point of view... (neither being right of wrong, just different)
I am less the traditionalist and prefer 6-saddle tele bridges. All 3 of my teles have 6-saddle, but 2 are string-through and 1 is top-load.
However, when I have had 3-saddle bridges, I prefer compensated. I have only used brass compensated (and traditional for that matter) but the material is a personal preference and what kind of tone you're seeking.
Somewhere I have seen a well done video demoing the various tele saddle materials and their effect on the sound (it actually might have been posted by Mr. Barden - ????) I'll see if I can find it and add it here.
As for the string-through vs top-load, I can't speak to the difference in tone because each of my teles is a different body wood and fretboard wood. They each have different tonal characteristics but I attribute this to factors other than bridge type (they all have the same pickups atm).
That said, I do notice a difference in the feel of the strings between string-through and top-load, with the latter feeling more "springy" FLOABW. Maybe it's just psychological, but I think it's real :confused:
edit:
Found the video! Comparison between brass, steel, graphtech and aluminium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GOSVu-NeAQ
NOTE: all compensated saddles, but shouldn't effect tone IMO.
Okay... 'notha video...
This time about string-through vs top-load. There are numerous ones on YT on the subject, but I immediately went to Jay Leonard J, because he's an absolute monster! (and he seems pretty humble)
Also he affirmed my "springy" theory! And gives a good explanation on why it's so. Which I knew but forgot I knew it :confused:
Tele String-through vs Top-load
Thanks as always Simon and McCreed. Haven't been back to my PC for a couple of days. Thanks for the great info! looks like I have a bit of homework to do..
That was a very informative video thanks McCreed! I've gone for a 3 saddle bridge knowing if I can't get the intonation it will drive me nuts...but that's how I roll. Definitely going to go with the top loading first.Quote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
Ok, since you've decided on the traditional 3 saddle, I'll let you in on a little secret...Quote:
That was a very informative video thanks McCreed! I've gone for a 3 saddle bridge knowing if I can't get the intonation it will drive me nuts...but that's how I roll. Definitely going to go with the top loading first.
READ THIS: "Saddle Up Your Telecaster" by Jerry Donahue
This is good method for intonating a 3 saddle bridge, and it does work. It is worth noting that once in a while you'll get a traditional 3 saddle tele that intonates just fine. So you could get lucky!
Thanks again McCreed! Some informative reading there.Quote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
Note that not every 3-saddle bridge has a rear-string option as well as standard through-stringing. So don't buy one without checking first it can be rear-strung.
Thanks Simon. I did check and ordered this one. It should do the job... https://www.pitbullguitars.com/shop/...e-for-tl-gold/Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Barden
Looks like you got the last one! Listing shows "out of stock".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodc
It appears to come with compensated saddles too, so that's a bonus.
However I find their description a bit confusing by referring to them as "staggered, vintage style saddles". To me, "vintage style" are bog standard barrel saddles.
Saw that too McCreed, the same with the Ash Tele. It's got me worried, usually I'm the one that goes to click on buy and find it's out of stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
Thought the same with the staggered saddles. It only has the flat side machined at different directions on the saddles. I'm up for the challenge though... or up for a 6 saddle. I can hear the difference between the two though online..
Yes, that's all the Wilkinson tele compensated saddles are, but that flat spot changes where the string breaks away from the saddle.Quote:
Thought the same with the staggered saddles. It only has the flat side machined at different directions on the saddles.
There are other brands that accomplish the same thing by angling the intonation screw hole and thus altering the orientation of the string and saddle at an angle rather than perpendicular.
I've only owned the Wilkinson type before and I thought it worked just fine. But ultimately moved to 6 block saddle. FWIW I don't like the design of any of the 6 barrel saddle bridges I've seen.
I will give it a go McCreed, It's not a lot of money if I'm not happy with it.
I went with these pick ups. The guitar will be mainly used for the young blokes recording. https://www.pitbullguitars.com/shop/...tl-style-kits/ and this for the neck https://www.pitbullguitars.com/shop/...tl-style-kits/
This is the last one I built for him. It's a great sounding guitar and that Chinese Bigsby style tremolo works a treat. That's the one I ended up putting Fender locking tuners on..
I had those pickups in my Squier Classic Vibe 50's Tele. This was back around 2014 when Tonerider were the OEM pickups for all the Classic Vibe models (only for 2 or 3 years IIRC).
I used to chuckle when I read forum posts by people that would say something like: "I yanked out those crappy stock pickups and put in some Toneriders!"
Hah!!! They just "yanked out" unbranded Toneriders and put branded Toneriders back in!!! Some people are just ridiculous.
BTW, the Vintage Plus pickups are great. Do a thorough shielding job and you should be really happy. (Sorry, I've got shielding on the brain from other posts I just replied to! :p)
Lol.!! They really make you wonder!
Funny you should mention that, I did see guys talking about the Classic Vibe guitars coming out with Toneriders.
Thanks for the tip re: shielding. This is the only kit I think I bought with out it. I get into more trouble using it then what it was worth. I have some kicking about here somewhere. I'll make a neater job of the shielding this time and see if I can leave this lot in..