I have followed the instructions so far but have come to a stand still with the wiring because there is no wiring diagram for the GTL-1 kit please help am stuck
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I have followed the instructions so far but have come to a stand still with the wiring because there is no wiring diagram for the GTL-1 kit please help am stuck
Hi Louis.
That will be a standard telecaster-style wiring.
You can use the Pit Bull Guitars one here, or any typical tele diagram you find online. (Seymour Duncan, Guitar Electronics etc)
EDIT:
Thought I'd add this diagram. It should relate to your kit included switch easier:
Attachment 34965
Yes but seems to be 2 wires in the connection where the pickups go and am not sure what they areQuote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
Pickups vary in how the wires are arranged and what colours they use. Can you describe what you have, or better still, upload a photo showing the wires from your pickups?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis Girling
Attachment 34978Quote:
Originally Posted by jugglindan
the black and white wire are connected to the same point the red is where the output jack wire comes from tho there is only on wire which is not split but will have to finger that out
Black wire I think is your bridge earth. White wire is earth to the jack so, inside tab of the jack. Red wire is the hot wire to the outside tab of the jack.
Out of the pickups the hot wire for goes to one of the outer tabs on the selector switch, the earth, which is likely a bare wire can go to a convenient earth point like the back of the volume pot.
Is it just me, or the switch casing grounded by a red wire? If so, no wonder there's confusion.
Hard to see exactly what's going on there.
Anyway, maybe this will help: (click to expand)
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Note that the coloured lines I drew for the pickup wires are not representative of the actual wire colours. They are arbitrary colours just to differentiate them from each other and the rest.
Funny how things are; this morning i set myself up to do my own wiring ... was having issues ... looked up the community page ... and there you go, im not alone - and only by a day.
I certainly apprciate the diagram posted by McCreed; but there are some differemnces in the "pre wiring" and the diagram ... and im pretty sure they are imporatnt. I REALLY appreciate some assistance.
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This is what i have: note the 3 way switch has already been bridged on 1&2 as well as 7&8, um;ike the McCreed diagram which is 2&3 and 6&7. regardless - there seems to be no similarity with the TL-1 wiring diagram in that the pick ups i have been supplied have the two wires, and the TL-1 diagram has only one. The online diagram DOES have the same bridges on the pick up switch however. Im not a great circuit understanderer ... but i can lift things.
I am mightily confused
Yeah it is, but in a setup this basic it's not a real problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
Ok one of the long yellow wires coming off your volume pot should be the bridge earth. It's connected to the outer tang of the pot which should also be earth to the back of the pot. The other yellow wire is the output juack earth (to centre tang on the out put jack) as per this diagram (mono version)Quote:
Originally Posted by G8tr
https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.2...-Annotated.jpg
red wire from the centre of the volume pot is the hot wire to the positive tang on the jack.
I am guessing both black wires from the pickups are earth in this case, so they can both be soldered to the back of the volume pot. The white and yellow wires out of the pickups are your hot wires, so they need to go to the outer tabs on the switch, the outer two most should be bridged I think for this kind of switch (someone will correct me if I'm wrong here) Neck should go to the end closer to the pots and bridge should go on the opposite site for the switch to work the right way (it'll still work if you swap that just back to front)
I think everything else is ok.
Thanks a HEAP ......
firstly .... im going to take a breath ... then re read
then ... if its not TOO early ... i'll open a bottle of "thinky juice"
and thener .... im going to go throught it all again ...
keep your eyes glued on the TV ... if theres an explosion, you'll know its me.
Cheers
ok ... i got a better look at the Volume pot: both yellow wires are connected to the same tang ? Attachment 34983Attachment 34984 so: either one to the Earth for the Jack and the other to bridge as the earth - which in this case im assuming anywhere on the brass mouniting plate will suffice as a location? Attachment 34985
Again .... a LOT of thanks ..... this poor project has been a real tooth puller .... hounded by issues of one sort or another ... and this was almost the "bridge too far" ....
I know wire colour doesn't matter electronically, but my point is to someone new to this, it could pose some questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic Mountain
Yeah that's fair enough. I've been thinking about trying to do a really basic 'explain like I'm 5' of how guitar electronics work. once you understand the principles it's much easier to work through trouble shooting, rather than relying on particular wire colours etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
Yep that's fine the two yellow wires are both for grounding so sharing the lug is fine (and I can see its' also earthed to the pot casing there so all good)Quote:
Originally Posted by G8tr
The one for the 'bridge' means to the bridge itself, not the pickup plate.. I'm not totally familiar with your kit. But if its a normal tele bridge there is normally a small hole from the bridge pickup cavity to the underside of the bridge. You just trim the plastic off the wire and put it under the bridge when you screw it down so the bridge metal is in contact with it. You can also solder it to a small washer and put one of the bridge mounting screws through it to ensure a really good connection.
Pickup wires can go to either the two outside lugs or the way I showed it the photo/diagram. Both will work the same as long as they are bridged with the #2 lug on both sides of the common lug.Quote:
The white and yellow wires out of the pickups are your hot wires, so they need to go to the outer tabs on the switch, the outer two most should be bridged I think for this kind of switch (someone will correct me if I'm wrong here) Neck should go to the end closer to the pots and bridge should go on the opposite site for the switch to work the right way (it'll still work if you swap that just back to front)
FWIW, the orientation of the switch shown my photo, the lever is in the "neck" position, and the two pots are to the right of the switch just like normal playing position. This is the way it came from the factory (I never used it).
I checked the continuity of the switch positions and the lever direction is correct in relation to the pickup selection. This is somewhat reverse of a CRL-type lever switch.
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sadly ... no hole to bridge as there is no "Bridge" per se. Just a bridge plate .... you cant bring the wire up under the plate unless it emerges from the cavity itself ... and i dont think that can be right?
however the earth lead is pretty long ... perhaps its designed to also earth on the input jack ?
however .... after having a good look at the pick up mount ... i notice the switching wire is earthed to the brass mtg plate ... Attachment 34989
Quote:
Originally Posted by G8tr
Yeah that will work. You want to earth the bridge itself and in turn the strings - that whole plate thing with the saddles on it is the bridge. Putting on the brass pickup plate will mean the bridge and strings are not earthed and it will buzz.
This is how it looks on an normal TL kit - note the hole with the exposed wire just under the cavity. There is no problem just hanging it out of the cavity so its squashed between the bridge and body.
https://i.imgur.com/FQj3Ebc.jpg
eek ... drilling into the body work wasnt on my list of things to try .... and yet, it seems, i must ... I shall weep.
You don't have to drill a hole, its fine to just have it come out of the bridge pickup cavity. You won't see it and it's functionally the same.
Another way to ground a tele bridge without a hole in the body (and my preferred method) is via one of the bridge pickup mounting/adjustment screws.
You solder an eye terminal to the bridge ground wire, then when you mount the pickup to the bridge plate, slip the eye terminal over one of the mounting screws between the bottom of the bridge plate and the mounting spring. The eye terminal makes contact with the bridge and the screw, which passes through to the brass plate of the bridge pickup. Everything is tied together now. D-u-n... dun.
Yeah that's a really good idea.
Just thought I'd post this as a follow-on from post #15 or for anyone that's curious...
Here's a pic of the trace wafer from a 7 lug import switch. As I mentioned in the previous post, you can see that the connections are made between the traces and lever contact by moving the lever in the same direction as the the terminals where the (+) pickup leads would be soldered. With a standard CRL-style lever switch, the (+) pickup leads would be soldered opposing to the lever direction because the contact points are on either side of the phenolic wafer.
You can also see how the (+) leads could be soldered to either the two end lugs ( as Sonic described) or either inner lugs as long as they're bridged to connect both neck & bridge pickups simultaneously in the middle switch position. Hope someone finds this useful.
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Hi All ... I wanted to update you about the wiring issues i was having, and to thank you greatly for your assistance. Things just werent adding up no matter how hard i looked at it ... then ... like a bolt from above .... the PRE WIRING HAD USED SINGLE CORES ... there was no splitting to find the earth... it had a separate earth all along ... now i DIDNT have an extra wire or two ... the pre wiring HAD used a twin for the linkages on th epots ... but everything else was single core ... youd think that there might have been a warning attached - after all even the video has the dual cores intrinsic to the wiring instructions. Ahhhhhhh never mind ....got there in the end. Huge thanks to the suggestions ... they were all very worthwhile, and i think i learned a bit too. For your edification: The Guitar
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Glad you got it sorted in the end. I think there are as many wiring schemes as there are pickups. Why can't they all just use consistent colours and standards?!!???
The tele looks awesome.
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Simon, as a software engineer I can say that is sadly true much of the time [emoji22]
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I work in fluid systems...I feel your pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by jugglindan
Well, my eyes are opened ... ill never do it again ... never.
except for the new build im doing ... should be simple enough yeah? yeah?
Does that mean you are a bartender, or urologist?Quote:
I work in fluid systems...I feel your pain.
;)
or a bartender taking urology.Quote:
Originally Posted by McCreed
cheers, Mark.