Geez, that looks shiny enough to call it done already.
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Geez, that looks shiny enough to call it done already.
delicious!
Thanks gents!
The back still has to catch up with the front so I managed to get another stain coat on. In that picture, it's still quite wet, but even after a couple of days, it seems to have held it's colour nicely without fading too much. I think it's pretty much ready for the intensifying coats. I got the red into it with the the later coats on the front and got the black much blacker. I am pretty confident that with some effort, I can get the same kinda results.
I will be getting my T Oil on Monday or Tuesday. It will be interesting to see what sort of results I get. There are so many different methods on Youtube. I have even been watching the methods that people use on their firearms. Nevertheless, I think I'll feel relived once the To Oil starts going on and I can hopefully get an interesting, unique result that looks cool.
Chris
http://i.imgur.com/PGUg7Xh.jpg
I've laid an intensifying coat over the back now and all seems 'normal'. It's a bit lumpy in places, but another coat or 3 and some sanding in the middle sometime should work nicely over it.
It's getting there.
G'day Chris,
Did you use an intermediate colour in the burst or is it just the two colours
Either way it looks really sweet
( bugger, just went back a page :( )
Hello Dave, I actually had Black, Red, Sunrise and the yellow. I mixed the red and sunrise originally, but went back to just using the red as the yellow got darker and darker as time and coats went on and the more orangey mix wasn't really working for me. In the last couple of intensifier coats, I even skipped the black and just laid the red over the top to avoid the terrible layering lumpy results after it dried.
I just sanded the top back with 2400grit Micromesh sandpaper and laid one last coat of intensifier ready for the final clear coats. As hard as I tried, I still couldn't get a flat result that I'm really happy with, but I am hoping that the Tru-oil will fill the surface as I go. The sides still need one more intensifying coat and then the back needs it's series of intensifying coats to attempt to match the front.
With so many Dingotone intensifying coats, it actually has quite a shine on the front.
Chris
Thanks Chris
I bought some of this.......
http://i.imgur.com/UiCH4QK.jpg
.....Has anyone tried it before?
I watched a Youtube video of a bloke in the States who has used it on a bass and he said it works great. It seems that they have stopped making it too! It's also difficult to get coz it can only be shipped by road and not by air.
Chris
Hi Chris, I think Andrew (hasn't been on the forum for ages) from the forum tried it but that was years ago. I guess there's one way to find out.
You will be best spraying on non windy conditions and spray fairly light coats and it should work out. Think you would get a more consistent clear coat rubbing it on the traditional way.
I got nothing to lose except for time and $23-. LOL
Chris
The first Tru-oil rub on the top has been done and is now drying!
The back is still drying from the previous intensifying coat. I will have to sand it back again with 1200 and it may even require 1 last coat before the Tru-oil.
I am maybe going to use the spay on the next coat??? We'll see.
Chris
look forward to hear how the spray TO goes Chris. I'd just spray fairly light coat first up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHyfGqAZJ4Q&t=1270s
This bloke babbles on and on most of the time, but check out his experience at 7:10 and on. This is the video that got me very curious.
I thought I woulds start by using the traditional method which seems to have maintained a fair bit of shine. My guess it's because of the numerous intensifying DT coats I have laid down.
Burst looks great on this Chris. For the TO spray I've read it's good for the final TO coat to get it nice and thin/even but don't see why you cannot use to build up finish from scratch
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Thanks Andrew. Now that I have got to this stage, I know that I can do it SO much better next time, but all thing considered, it looks quite good. I am really pleased the way the contour cuts turned out.
I have now done 1 rub and 1 spray. It seems to be sitting quite nicely and building already! I am going to do one more spray and leave it for a week or so to dry.
I have to study now for my forklift license course on Tues and Wed.
Chris
1 x rub on oil, then waited 1-2 hours and then 2 sprays 30mins or so apart. Now wait.
http://i.imgur.com/v2Y9srS.jpg
Oh and those things that look like marks at the base of the guitar in the black section are reflections no marks.
Chris
that looking good what did you refinish with over the oil ?
I used Tru-oil oil once and then gave Tru-oil in an aerosol can a go in 2 applications.I haven't started with the Tru-oil on the back yet, but I believe that I'll do the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by phrozin
I can't believe how easy the spray went on and how well it is sitting.
Chris
Here's the thing.
What I have discovered so far is If you want a gloss finish with Tru-oil, forget wasting time with the traditional rub on method and go straight to the aerosol can. For AU$23-, I already have a finish that is dry enough to handle carefully in less than 24 hours of it's first round of coats and has remained as glossy as it was when it was first laid on. It still looks WET and polished! I have tiny bumps (like dust) on the surface if you turn it at certain angles in to the light, but the shine on the thing is amazing. The bumps should sand down and hopefully vanish after I cut it back and spray the next coats. There is no real orange peel, just slightly uneven basically from the intensifying coat underneath. I seriously believe that I have reached the stage within 24 hours so far that would have taken days or weeks to get to with the standard method.
Now, this is important to note. It will all depend on the finish that you want to achieve. If you want to maintain the look and feel of the timber and simply want a light satin type finish for protection, then stick with the standard oil, it's perfect for that. If I was doing a guitar with deep grain and wanted to maintain a natural feel I would still wipe it on. However, if you wish to add gloss and a clearcoat type finish, I would highly recommend the aerosol in my experience so far. I have seen all the videos of people laying 15-30 coats of Tru-oil - that now seems stupid to me after using the aerosol can.
Now I have to wait for the intensifying coat on the back to dry for another day or two so I can sand it and perhaps lay down one last coat before the Tru-oil.
Chris
Looking very nice. As it stands, I'd be worried about not having enough depth of protective finish. It may look glossy now - but that's not the whole point of the finish. You need enough of that finish on to have enough depth to cut it back, polish and then be thick enough to last more than a few months before wearing through (unless you want it to look worn quickly).
If that were a lacquer spray, then you'd probably want at least 5-6 clear coats on, and some would go even more (say 8-10) before cutting back and polishing - depending on how thickly they'd sprayed the coats. I'd expect the same depth of finish from the Tru-Oil spray, so whilst it may already look shiny, I'd seriously consider adding several more coats of it.
Looking at some comparisons between wipe-on and the spray on the web, the spray doesn't penetrate like the wipe-on does into the wood, so you aren't getting the depth of finish with the spray that you do with the wipe-on method. e.g. http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/3613. But you've at least got one or two coats of the wipe- on the body first before the spray, so that should have locked it into the wood nicely.
I'd probably agree with you that 30 coats of wipe-on is probably rather unnecessary, especially if the wood has been sanded flat in the first place. 10 coats of wipe-on is probably going to take a couple of weeks to apply, but then again building a guitar isn't a race. The spray may be just the thing for those final coats - but I'm sure you'd find that you'd get just as good results after sanding and polishing with wipe-on as with the spray. And the wipe-on is significantly cheaper. You pay a lot for the can and the propellant.
Some good points Simon. Thanks for your response.
I have no intention of leaving it as it is. I am still going to do another 2 applications. By that I mean a light sand, one spray application, wait 20mins and then a second spray and wait a few days and repeat that again. Before the final polishing and buffing I'll wait a week or two. In actual fact then, I'll have a total of 1-2 rub-on coats and 6 spray coats. Don't forget I have quite a few DT intensifying coats on this thing as well. It's not a race, but it's nicer it it takes less time and goes on easier yes???
I can tell you now, the spray goes on much thicker and more even than wiping will ever do in one single application. It makes perfect sense as the liquid has to be wiped to get an even finish. Also, the aerosol can probably has 2 x guitars worth in it. It's thicker and contains more material than you may think. My estimate is that you would have to do 3-4 rub on coats to get the same as one spray coat. but that's a guess from experience so far. (Early days.) Oh and did I mention that it dries much faster than the oil?
Anyway, these are my thoughts so far. This is my first guitar and I am learning as I go. Please, someone else go to the local gun shop and buy a can to back me up. The reason that the gun blokes prefer the oil is that most don't want a glossy finish, they want a satin finish and maintain the feel of the timber. (BTW, you can still cut the spray back to achieve this.) Also, from what I understand, the spray is no longer being produced, so cans maybe even more difficult to get?!?!
Chris
I can still see the cans on sale here in the UK but there's no mention of it on the manufacturer's web site, so it sounds like it's true.
Looks like they'd like you to start out with the sealer & filler (necessary if the wood's been stained they say), then the Tru-Oil, and the there's another product - Stock Sheen and Conditioner - to give you the satin finish.
Yes, you should certainly have enough layers on when finished. Hope they all go on as smoothly as they have already done. :D
Thanks Simon. We'll see what happens.
Sorry for it being out of focus. I couldn't find my tripod and I wanted to get the colours to show up.
http://i.imgur.com/lrvvRqx.jpg
Let's hope this dries well and it's the final intensifying coat on this guitar. I am really pleased with the way it is turning out on the back. I had to spend some time this afternoon sanding it back quite a bit to get it flat again and the black to sit. The black went all chalky and yuck on the coat before. Probably went on too thick? I had the same issue on the front with the black and I ended up switching to just the red over the previous black and it worked that way.
Time will tell.
Chris
So, during the week, I finished DT intensify coating the back and coated with Tru-oil (oil), waited an hour or two and sprayed 2 coats with the aerosol. I can clearly see the lines left from the oil coat, much more than the front because I think I went a bit too thick. It will sand out though, so I'm not too worried. It's touch dry and looking pretty good overall, so I thought I might start the second round on the top.
I wet sanded it back using the 1800 green micro mesh pad and dried it up using my heat gun on a low temp after wiping it over with a microfiber car cleaning cloth. I then sprayed another 2 aerosol coats 45mins apart. (it's cold today). The first coat was laid down fairly thick in 2 passes whereas the second round was in one pass and much thinner. It's not ultra flat, but flatter that any other Tru-oil coat applied by hand that I have ever seen pictures or video of. I am thinking that the slight uneven orange peel is probably caused by the spray can pressure? (It's not even that bad.) It looks lush and thick. The shine is brilliant already and once cut and polished, it will look more like a paint finish. On the first coat, it dried the same as it looked wet, so it should turn out the same this time around too.
Pictures to come.
Now to the problems with the body finish.
The DT black didn't work properly. I have some timber show through where I didn't want it, but the more I tried to fix it, the more other problems reared up. So, I called it a day and moved on. I have to call it adding to the character of the burst. LOL There are a few spots on the edges and in the black burst on the back where you can see raw timber showing through. It was a series of errors starting with sanding too fine and the timber not taking in the black stain and then trying to cover that with the intensifier. I will also admit to sanding through the finish especially on the edges. Anyway, lesson learned. However, I am still not convinced that the black DT intensifier was working correctly, as it did start to dry chalky but the other colours didn't.
The burst on the back is a different burst to the front. The back has heaps more red and although I do like the front now, the intention was to achieve the colour tones I have on the back. Ah well, next time.
Now back to watching the Tru-Oil dry.
Chris
I'm in the home stretch now finally!
The top of the body has had it's last coat (hopefully) of Tru-Oil spray and will dry for a week or so before sanding the back and sides one last time and doing the final coat on them. I think i have completed four application sessions on the top all together. Before this last coat, I flattened it right out using the micromesh pads and in fact, got it down to a nice mat finish that looked quite nice. Now that I have sprayed it today, It's now got quite an amazing gloss finish which I am not sure yet how to tackle it next. I think I should just start the polishing process from where it's at, but maybe it should be sanded back first? If it's flat and shiny enough, surely polishing straight up should be the way to go?
The only issue I had with the Tu-Oil spray is that the last time that I used it, I must not have turned the can upside down and clear the nozzle and the nozzle got blocked. I tried everything to clear it, but nothing worked. I had to bite the bullet and purchase a new can this morning - bummer.
Chris
http://i.imgur.com/MRGzjE6.jpg
That is looking the business Chris! Great job.
Thanks mate. It's much better in person. Even with a fancy camera, it's difficult to get a photo that does it justice due to the burst and the shine.
Chris
Very shiny. You gotta be happy with how it has turned out.
Mate,this is great. I just read from start to finish and I have to admit that I was a bit nervous for you at the start, but the finish has really developed as you went to something, now that is truly good.
You should be proud of what you have achieved.
I am certain that your Daughter is going to be ecstatic.....
Thank-you Gentlemen!!!!
I am finally getting there. I have made some mistakes and I am certain I will make some more as I start putting it together. LOL
There is still a bit to do on the body with sanding and waiting for it to dry. I am being extra careful whilst in these final stages.
Chris
looking very nice Chris, good work on the spray tru oil. I have got a big container of spare spray can nozzles for that very reason, they often block up.
You could always use a cap from any other spray can e.g. a used deodorant can. Just wash it out in something like metho first.
Simon, I couldn't find a nozzle that fitted! All the nozzles I had were a different configuration. This nozzle has the tube that goes into the can. Every other can I have here has the straw coming out from the can and the nozzle fits into it. Ah well.....
Chris
Ah well indeed!
http://i.imgur.com/2BbuwWB.jpg
She lives!
who needs fender when you can enjoy crafting something like that, truly a beautiful guitar and an achievement to be proud of, well done!
Nice work!
Yes, a very nice job!
Nice job Chris a true testament to patience and perseverance. A lot of hard work and a learning experience along the way. You will have a guitar that can't be rivaled because you made it.. great job mate... I am ready for clear on mine and can't wait to see it complete as well..
Man looks great! That Babicz bridge just sets it off!:cool: