I think you have set the gold standard for hidden bodge. Igor is greatly impressed.
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I think you have set the gold standard for hidden bodge. Igor is greatly impressed.
Wait till you get a load of this then :)
Because I'm impatient and kind of an idiot I just decided to free hand the control cavity. It looks terrible inside, but the cover fits pretty well and like everything else on this build it'll be hidden. I did have a whoopsie with the bit coming out of the router and poking a hole through the masonite. I think I'll give up trying to keep the design, paint over it and then get some vinyl cut to re introduce it.
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I am getting better at controlling the router and have found a number of things I need to take into consideration for the creation of guides. So as terrible as this is craftsman ship wise, it has been a valuable test bed.
Also decided to introduce a break angle onto the neck heel. I was going to do this in the pocket, but I already had a few goes at it and finally have the neck alignment with the bridge perfect so don't want to mess with it any more.
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Trial fitted up things like the pots and switch as well, looks like its all going to work, so I guess I can move onto finishing and hiding all of this.
This thread is so relate-able. I really do have a love hate thing going with routers
Yeah they are tricky to use well, I have a lot more practice to do before I attempt to build something nice.
Yeah Routers, so handy, but can be a handful.
Slightly late to the party (been on holiday for a week) but one way of getting a good tight fit of the neck when using a filler is to wrap the end of the neck in cling-film (one layer, tight, no creases) and clamp that into the pocket whilst the filler dries. A friend did it that way but used epoxy (but it was still a bolt-on) and got a very tight-fitting neck indeed on what was otherwise a very cheap Indian-built Encore Tele copy and greatly improved it.
Funny you should mention that. I did consider that approach. In the end I decided router practice was more important. I was also considering counter sinking the screws and then bogging over them so it looks like a set neck.....
The ill advised adventure continues. In a burst of 'why not' I went ahead and did the above mod. A bit of bog in the neck pocket, squish the neck in - line up temporary strings with the bridge and hold it in position until the bog goes off. Flip, drill and countersink in some screws, more bog and start refining. Voila.
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Guess what I didn't do first? That's right no holes joining up the cavities for wiring. Doh!
Off to the big green shed for a right angle dremel attachment. Between some drilling and gouging around with the router attachement it's all good. Hole joining up the pickup routes, hole to the bridge post and hole through to the control cavity.
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I only whoopsied twice.. so more bog to come!
I wonder what its' resonant frequency is?:p
Nothing like a little bit of D'OH! while you're building!
Looks like various cautionary tales going on at once.
Interesting non-the-less.
I'm considering going to the BGS and asking one of the drones 'So where do you keep the bog?'
Only I have a feeling he may misconstrue the question.
So does it have a more descriptive title?
cheers, Mark.
Ah yes.. this is very much from the hack and slash school of luthery.Quote:
Originally Posted by king casey
The filler or 'bog' I'm using is automotive. So you'd need to go to Supercheap or Autobarn. There are a number of different types, but I'm using the lightweight plastic one. It's the most common, but there is also metal and fiberglass ones.. probably overkill for guitars
Its an epoxy, so you need to mix it up in batches as you use it. It takes a bit of practice to work out the ratio's, but generally if you only put a little bit of hardener in, you get longer work times. Also if the weather is hot, it will go off much more quickly. It's about $10 for 450gm of the cheap stuff (what I have) so you get a fair bit of filler for your money.
Thanks S.M.
So if it's epoxy I may even find some laying around the place.
I'm a well-seasoned bodger.
cheers, Mark.
First coat of high fill. Has exposed numerous areas requiring work, but at least I'm onto finishing.
What are peoples thoughts on proportions? It looks to bit a fair bit smaller than a regular flying V, but not as small as some of the other commercial variants. It's always so hard to tell on the computer how it will look IRL, I think I like it regardless, but interested to hear if anyone thinks it looks particularly weird.
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Up to primer, getting close to top coats. Less rain and more time would be helpful.
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Purdy! Looking great
The rear V wings look to have a bit more meat on them and therefore chunkier near stop tail piece section. I like the small cutaway on treble side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic Mountain
Yeah, its a bit stubbier isn't it? Cutaway was to make it clearly distinct from an actual V.
First coats of colour on. Probably needs another one, little bit thin in a couple of spot, but I'll see how it looks dry. Colour is Torquay Sand, very similar valiant Bondi Bleach/ beige colour. Will look good with black hardware I think.
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It's not perfect. I could have spent longer sanding, but eh, it is what it is.
I like the colour choice. I think the shape is really cool. The little cutaway reminds me of the Gibson Moderne. 👍🏻
Final colours on, just waiting for some vinyl to be cut to get the design back on it, quick mock up. If nothing else it should look good hanging on the wall.
I'll be very interested to see how all the bog etc holds up.
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Looks mint! Keen to see the vinyl process.
Well here's a start, I decided it needed some pin-striping. Autobarn has a huge range in various colours at the moment.
Still waiting to hear back from the place I'm getting the vinyl cut. I decided to try somewhere local rather than having it sent down from Darwin... they don't seem in much of a hurry to help me out though.
I put it on using a bit of soapy water so it's not fully stuck down in a couple of spots, I'll run over it with the hair dryer later on and it will all sit down and smooth out.
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Heck yeah!
Spoke too soon, vinyl came through this afternoon. Looks cool, probably gone a bit overboard, but the build is an experiment after all :)
Few coats of clear after the vinyl settles down and I'll be ready to throw it together.
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looks fantastic
That looks very cool indeed.
You have to be pretty well pleased with that! Well done mate!
Cheers guys, it is good fun. The overall build isn't what I would consider up to my standard, but it has been worthwhile as a test bed.
Did a quick clear coat this morning, but got some fluff in it, so will need to wait for it to dry to fix up. Really need to work out a better spraying setup. I've only been threatening to do it for a year and half :rolleyes:
Looks fantastic. Bodge or not, that's going to be a very impressive finished product.
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omg sonic, luthier i say ! :cool:
Yeah, I like it a lot.
Got the major assembly stuff done today. Few more things to do including wiring. I've just chucked the kit strings loosely on to see how it looks. I appear to have been a bit too paranoid with my high 'e' alignment, I've given myself probably an extra mm on that side. I think it'll be OK and I'm probably lucky it's not worse considering the bodge. I gave it a quick polish, bit it doesn't seem worth going for a showroom finish. If it goes a year without cracking I might pull it apart and give it a proper cut.
Oh I also decided the speed knobs were too big so I went to Jaycar and got some smaller black aluminum ones.
Overall, considering the many stuff ups and general slap dash approach, I'm pretty happy with the result. I'll be interested to see how it plays after electrics and the setup are done.
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I think I can see myself re visiting the Flying V in a future build done to a higher standard, It's turned out pretty cool style wise.
So good! I'd be proud of that for sure mate
Thanks man. It's satisfying seeing this build near completion, for a time I thought I'd just end up abandoning it.
It really goes to show that there is almost nothing that can't be fixed or got around if you are willing to have a crack.
I learnt a tonne doing this one. There will be a bit of a break before the next one, but I'm aiming to do a very high level fully scratch built original design, hopefully I've got all the bodge out of my system for a bit.
Ok it's all together. Quick fret level and setup and it's very respectable! It sounds and plays better than it has any right to.
Some more pics and a quick dirty demo. I need a better mic for the amp, but you'll get the gist. Just straight into the Orange rumble, via a DS-1. Nice and simple. Its' surprisingly comfortable, certainly one of my lighter guitars.
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Looks great, sounds great. I'd call that a successful experiment. Must feel great to have learned so much along the way and to get a killer end result.
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