some big plans Pest, should be very cool indeed
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some big plans Pest, should be very cool indeed
Gonna be rad.
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rad rod!
Cheers Stan and Nick!
Okay, so today got a few more hours in build time. I have sanded the body to 120 grit and drew all the lines for carving tomorrow, right after I get back from picking up some files. Also started sanding the neck down to 120, will probably finish that off tomorrow and I also got some holes drilled, will do the rest when I can enlarge the tuner holes and get my new drill bits.
Pics will be up tomorrow, tomorrow arvo will be quite fun!
With the 4 pole 5-pos switch, yes it's possible to have two different tone circuits or groupings. But, the first question is what pickup combo's do you want? The complexity of the pickup switching will affect what we can do with the tone switching. For pickup options, individual Bridge, Middle and Neck is a given, but what do you want for the other two switch positions?
a. Bridge + Middle, Middle + Neck (only one would be hum cancelling)
b. Bridge + Neck, Bridge + Middle + Neck
Depending on how the P90 is wound it should give you hum cancelling when combined with one of the other pickups, but can't say which without some testing. Also, the output from the P90 may dominate the Tele pups... do they have a resistance marked on them?
If you went for option 'b' above, we could maybe do a Master Volume, Balance (Bridge/Neck), Master Tone, with a couple of different caps for the different positions. In position 4 the balance would allow you to adjust the Bridge/Neck ratio, and in position 5 it would allow you to control how much of the Bridge and Neck is added to the P90. That is, you could have full Bridge, P90 and Neck, or 0% Bridge, full P90 and full Neck, or full Bridge, full P90 and 50% Neck etc.
Or, option 'b' but with Master Volume, P90 Volume, Master Tone, and a couple of cap options. This may be a good option if the P90 is a little loud compared to the other pups.
Or, either option but with Master Volume and a couple of tone controls for different pickups or positions. Or, something else entirely. It all depends on what you want and what you think would be best and most useful for you.
Ummmm.... Can you translate that into English? :D
The original plan was to go option a, but I do not know the resistance of the pickups, will let you know tomorrow once I get myself a multimeter. All the above options do sound nice...... Will have to draw up some pretty little charts to compare them all!!!
Also, quick question to all about the grain pop. Is it easier to use Timbermate to pop the grain or is it easier to use a stain?
And before I forget (again), when is the best time to pop the grain? I have only sanded once at 120.
This is gunna be AWESOME!
Really digging the idea of the elbow and tummy cuts.
Was thinking that you may be able to put a hand cut on the lower horn to neck heel?
With the modified neck heel that would make getting to those ultra high notes a dream :)
The Frankeshredpester :P
Plans sound cool Pest. I Was at the DB man Cave this arvo and saw the body Blank the body was cut from with some DT yellow looks great on that grain
The new formula Butterscotch.... Soon to be released...
DB, what do you mean by hand cut? And yes this will be awesome if I can pull it off :D
Yeah Woks the grain in this ash is awesome, looks even better with the new butterscotch formula! I can hear and feel DB's excitement from here, I'm taking finesse to the next level now!
by a hand cut I think he means like the cutaway on the bottom horn of a Chapman or similar
Like on this so you can get to the high notes easier:
http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images...ml2-630-80.jpg
Thats exactly it Stan :)
wow Stan that axe belongs in the beautiful axe thread !
I think Pest has the idea of final shaping
Haha Stan, yeah that is what I thought from hand cut, dunno if I'll do one, but maybe down the track I might!
Ok so here are the pics of the areas of which I'll carve away. Today will definitely be interesting... Also be sure to like my Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/kellysgutiars
markups looks good Pest, see if you can draw a more even curved line and one solid line to follow.
How are you shaping this with a file/rasp ? A belt sander will make light work of the cuts or an orbital with 40 grit paper.
Wow page 6 already this will be a monster build diary !
I don't have an orbital or belt sander Wokka, the lines are only to guide, I will fix it all up as I go. I'll be using some files and rasps to do my carving, should be very fun!
So when I finish lunch I'll head out and go to the big green shed (sorry DB, but it's a lot easier if I do) to get the files, rasps, some timbermate, new drill bits and a clamp. Then just down the road to Altronics (like 500m away from Bunnings) to get a multimeter and finally off to Sky Music (again, just down the road) to get some new guitar leads...
Due to the jack plate being a bit close to the edges, I might not do the full bevel as planned, but I'll simple round the edges off with a small diameter, the other two carves will definitely go ahead as planned!
Noice :)........
The point of no return.... Wish me luck everyone!
G'day Pesty,
Love what you are doing here, but please get the transitions for the cuts clean.
The angular way they are done on kits really hurts my eyes and I feel they leave the guitar looking unfinished.
I'm on hols at the moment with some friends and took a $60.00 eBay Strat along so I could work on stuff while the wives are out walking, the forearm cut is smooth but the belly cut is horrible. Doesn't affect the playability but does look quite ordinary.
My Strat build has had the cuts smoothed right out with some 80 grit in a palm sander and then hand sanded up to 600 before staining
I actually don't mind the angular belly carve Dave, the forearm carve will be more rounded...
Alrighty so I got the pickups tested.... Here's my results
Bridge: 8.7k
Middle: 5.8-5.9k
Neck: 6.1k
Hopefully Weirdy can come up with a neato diagram for this setup!
Excellent, those values look like they'll match nicely given the P90 will be a bit fatter. I've sketched out a couple of ideas, I'll draw them up properly when i get a chance.
I wonder what the polarity on the P90 is... what colour are its wires?
I'll get back to you on that one Weirdy.... Especially since it is from a 45 year old guitar.... Should be fun having the triple pup setup!
There is no progress update today everyone, got a whole load of study, might get some work done tomorrow arvo, the next two weeks I'll have more time up my sleeve...
I need to thank you for some inspiration, my TLA-1 project was slowing down a lot.. Back on track with a nice arm cut to make things a bit more comfortable!
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Ok Pest, I've got some diagrams for you... 5 of them in fact. These are just some ideas using the bits you have available, but if you have a particular combo of the features you want just let me know. All have a treble-bleed on the master volume.
Option 1: Master Volume, selected Bridge/Neck balance, Master Tone (revision 2).
Balance pots can potentially suck some highs out of your tone, so this is wired so the balance pot only affects the Bridge and Neck in positions 4 and 5, in positions 1, 2 & 3 it has no effect. It allows you to go from 0<->100% Bridge with 100% Neck, or 0<->100% Neck with 100% Bridge in position 4, and adds the middle P90 as well in position 5. This means in position 5 you can have Bridge/Middle or Middle/Neck combos by turning the balance all the way to one side or the other, or part thereof, or all three pups with the balance in the centre. Very versatile (probably my favourite), but needs all 4 poles on the switch so no tone/cap switching.
Attachment 3633
Option 2: Master Volume, Bridge/Neck balance, Master Tone with switched caps.
Similar to option 1, but the balance pot applies to all Bridge and/or Neck positions. For example, if you have the balance pot set at 75% Bridge 100% Neck then the Bridge will be at 75% in position 1, 4 and 5 etc. The cap switching is set so that any positions with the P90 get a 0.022uF cap, and Tele pup only positions get the 0.047uF cap (easy to change the caps around on the switch if needed).
Attachment 3362
Option 3: Master Volume, Middle/(Bridge, Neck) balance, Master Tone.
This one has the balance pot set up with the P90 on one half, and whichever of the currently selected Tele pups on the other half. So, if you have the balance set at 100% P90 and 75% 'other' it will give you 75% Bridge in position 1, 75% Neck in position 3, and 75% Bridge + Neck in positions 4 & 5. Or, the reverse, set it to 50% P90 and you'll have 50% P90 in positions 2 and 5 with 100% on the Tele pups in positions 1, 3, 4 & 5. Again, this needs all the poles on the switch so no tone/cap switching.
Attachment 3363
Option 4: Master Volume, positional Tone Controls.
Basically, Strat-style pickup combos with two non-overlapping tone controls that are selected by position. Positions 1, 2 & 3 get tone control 1 and positions 4 & 5 get tone 2. Easy to change which tone controls affect which positions etc.
Attachment 3364
Option 5: Master Volume, Middle Volume, two cap balance pot Master Tone.
DON'T TRY THIS ONE. Basically, it has the same Strat-style pickup combos are the last option but with a middle volume that only affects the P90. This would be useful if the P90 tends to drown out your other pups. The crazy part of this design is the balance pot tone. It has a different cap on each half of the pot; turn it one way and you get an 0.022uF tone, turn it the other and you get the 0.047uF. The interaction is a bit more complex than that and I'm sure the learned EE's among us can explain why it's a bad idea. In practice, it's a very 'peaky' tone control with very gradual tone changes for 95% each side and then a big whack of tone at the end... but not necessarily in a bad way. Not so good for clean tones, but I kind of like it with a good bit of distortion. However, I've only tried this as an external circuit to an already wired guitar... I've included it for fun but wouldn't recommend it (I wanted to find another use for your balance pot). This diagram would be better with either a standard tone pot, or a push/push tone if you wanted to switch caps.
Attachment 3365
That enough to keep you busy? Let me know if you want some other variants or need help following the layouts.
Haha cheers Weirdy, more than enough to keep me busy planning the wiring! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdBits
I literally had to go out into the garage and grab my control plate to decode your madness! Currently, option 1 seems the best to my needs, but option 2 might be a possibility.....
Okay, update time! Did some carving last night and this morning. I won't be doing as much carving as I planned, but what I have so far (and what I still plan to do) will suffice as I want this to be a different carve profile. Pics up probably after lunch!
What an asset you are for us Weirdy - awesome work.
Can't wait to see your carves Pest.
well done Weirdy spending all that time providing 5 diagrams, sure one of them will suit Pests requirements
this will be a beast Pest!
Weirdy - you are the wiring king
Curvy! The bevels are supposed to be pretty subtle, but adds to the effect of the curves! Loving this shape, will get a pic of the front carve up whenever possible, but for now I have a bunch of sanding to do! The smaller carve profiles I am starting to like more than the full carves, will be fun to have these carves sanded! Also ordered the Dingotone, will be here soon!
looking good Pest. Keep sanding those edges to try get a uniform curved edge
Yeah I'm now finishing the edges off, I enjoyed the small finessing I did to the body, really make it an axe of my own! Can't wait to get this baby sanded down to 400 and start the finishing process!
Time for a well deserved update!
So far the body and neck are sanded to 120 grit, started sanding at 180 grit and I have finished the carving. I did a mock build, everything fits nicely but I stripped one of the screw heads for the string trees... DANGIT! Anyway, everything fits nicely so big thumbs up!
I will go ahead with Weirdy's first wiring option, will probably start the wiring tomorrow so when I finish this beast off I'll only have to do the pups and the jack, so only 8 wires to do and will save some time in the long run!
I have done the carving that was intended, but I might add in a Chapman style carve into the mix... But the fear of messing it up might stop me..... I'll have a good think about it tonight and tomorrow..... Pictures won't be up until I can get my hands on the camera, but for now she is looking to be a ripper of a build!
look forward to photos Pest !
Have a go mate! You only learn through doing. Practice on some scrap before you go the real thing.
great progress Pest, looking forward to seeing how this ends up
Yeah Stan, I'm also looking forward to see how this turns up! Still no pics to show but I'll say there is now a new carve. Isn't a massive one but at my playing height it is really easy to hit the 21st fret so it will be fun to play!
sounds cool mate, keep up the good work
sounding awesome, like all the work you're doing can't wait to see some photos