DB - you're going to want a dead flat base to glue your fretboard to. Necks have a gentle angle along their length, so I'm guessing the jig is to give you that angle as you run it through the drum sander?
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DB - you're going to want a dead flat base to glue your fretboard to. Necks have a gentle angle along their length, so I'm guessing the jig is to give you that angle as you run it through the drum sander?
Quick guess diagram???
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...t-neck-jig.jpg
Second try - we're dealing with a neck through here, so part of the neck will be in the body. To retain the angle and have some of the neck in the body, given that cutting it later will be a pain, if DB uses the jig, the drum sander will have a nice, flat surface to work on, that will be nice and supported as it goes through the sander.
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...t-neck-jig.jpg
Ok, now this is awkward.....
Dan was on the right path, Brendan has answered correctly so two winners it is!
email me your postal address and I will send out a Dingotone Guitar wax out to you both.
dingobass@pitbullguitars.com
Oh, and it was the second diagram that is the closest....
Yep - did the first then the penny dropped. Watching with intense interest... Just made a small acquisition that may go towards my first scratchy later this year...
Ahh, very neat little jig DB.
I wasn't thinking along the lines of a drum sander jig though. That's a great way to create an accurate neck break angle.
What degree do you make your neck angle? I'm guessing about 7*.
Man you must excuse my absolute ignorance here, here's me thinking you'd just need a dead flat piece of timber that ran the entire length of the guitar and would be parallel to the strings. Now you're talking about "angle" but no one has actually said how much "angle", also you say here Brendan "part of the neck will be in the body' well wouldn't all of the neck be in the body... what am I missing?Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from Brendan on June 10, 2014, 21:44
Second try - we're dealing with a neck through here, so part of the neck will be in the body. To retain the angle and have some of the neck in the body, given that cutting it later will be a pain, if DB uses the jig, the drum sander will have a nice, flat surface to work on, that will be nice and supported as it goes through the sander.
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...t-neck-jig.jpg
This has suddenly gone from "I'd love to try this" to "there's no way this is possible at home".
Also just to put the icing on my confusion, I can understand having this "angle" on the neck to compensate for the bridge height (also not mentioned) but in the above diagram it seems to me like the angle is running the wrong way from the body.
I might come back once I've decked out a workshop with 10K's worth of gear and finished my degree in trigonometry:P
There's always a work around Bargie, this process could be done a number of ways. DB's method with a drum sander is probably the most efficient and accurate. But you could do this a number of ways. Cut the angle with a band saw/ hand saw then plane or sand flat.
If you look at Brendan's diagram, the top line of the diagram is the back of the guitar. The bottom line is the face. So if you flip it over it will be at the proper angle.
The "Part" of the neck in the body will be where the body "wings" attach. I think you maybe looking at it from the wrong perspective. I'm sure as the build progresses all will become clear.
Wow. Thanks DB. And people told me being a smart arse would get me nowhere. This may be the 'wooden spoon' of the challenge. But at least it's a spoon. Woohoo!Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from dingobass on June 10, 2014, 20:33
Aaaaaaand the winner is....... Lawry!...
Nah, just kidding around :) But Lawry does get a bonus prize for the funniest answer! ( email me your address Lawry and I will send you a tub of Dingotone Guitar wax :). dingobass@pitbullguitars.com )
Dan is still the closest, but the device is not for planing the fret board face, rather it is for running through the drum sander...
Now all I need to know is why would I run the blank through the drum sander on this seemingly wierd angle?
Barge - sorry for the confusion. I'll put it down to my not having the right woodworking / luthier terminology to put across what I was meaning...
The diagram was a quick (30 second) mockup in Paint.net so all the angles, etc were very exaggerated. That said. Taking a quick eyeball measurement from the heel of the neck on an SG I've got here, before the heel of the neck curve where the neck joins the body, it's 3cm from the base of the neck to the bottom of the fretboard. At the nut, it's 2cm, so the angle is stuff all, but still there. If you took the neck as a whole - given DB is building a set neck guitar, it will be significantly thicker at the body than at the nut.
I've tried to redo the diagram as if it was a guitar looking at it as if it was laying flat on a table and you were looking at it from the bit that would sit on your knee as you played it. Bear in mind there is no scale here - it's all just plonked onto a diagram, but hopefully it gives the idea. In reality, there will be a whole lot more shape, the headstock will probably be at a slight angle to the neck, etc., but given DB is just doing the bulk shaping at this stage, there's many more updates to come!
In terms of doability at home - I think DB is showing that it can be done - his first scratchy was done with very few (if any) powertools and a lot of elbow grease. What DB's doing here is showing some short cuts that will reduce the elbow grease component with some snazzy jigs and the like. If you don't have access to the tools / jigs, etc, it's still doable, just harder. Hope that helps, but as mentioned, watch this thread and I think it'll all make sense in the end. After all, we're all basking in the learnings of Guru DB! :)
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...k-jig-pt-2.jpg
Brendan, you are really close to it.
Just reverse the yellow bit to get the break angle and that is exactly what I am on about...
Check out any of our set neck g type kits and you will see what I am on about :)
OH, Dan, send me your post address so I can get your prize out to you :)
dingobass@pitbullguitars.com
Aaahaa now I get it - with a high bridge, by putting a little angle on the neck (break angle) the strings are held in a better alignment with the fretboard and a whole lot more playable. Just going with the defaults on the website below, it looks like the angle is something like 5 degrees or something really small like that.
Nice pickup Dan!
Diagram follows DB's feedback, I've left the words on to keep that part constant. Ignore the diagram from my previous post - it's wrong... Also bear in mind the angles and dimensions are way off.
More info here:
http://www.tundraman.com/Guitars/NeckAngle/index.php
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...k-jig-pt-3.jpg
Forgive me if it seemed like I was knocking your explanations Brendan, it's more to do with my total lack of knowledge and understanding but how you've layed it out here really makes perfect sense and like you and danmade said, as the build progresses thing will (hopefully) become clearer.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from Brendan on June 11, 2014, 23:32
Aaahaa now I get it - with a high bridge, by putting a little angle on the neck (break angle) the strings are held in a better alignment with the fretboard and a whole lot more playable. Just going with the defaults on the website below, it looks like the angle is something like 5 degrees or something really small like that.
Nice pickup Dan!
Diagram follows DB's feedback, I've left the words on to keep that part constant. Ignore the diagram from my previous post - it's wrong... Also bear in mind the angles and dimensions are way off.
More info here:
http://www.tundraman.com/Guitars/NeckAngle/index.php
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...k-jig-pt-3.jpg
Will be watching with interest:-)
In answer to the angle, it is three degrees-- not much but enough to let me get those strings close enough to he fretboard without buzzing..
With any luck this baby should be a mega shredding machine :)
sounds good DB, any updated photos and quiz question #2 ?
super great info guys, and nice start so far DB!
@Brendan, thanks for all the effort you put into the explanation!
cheers,
Gav.
Due to the neck angle, Im guessing thats gonna have a tuneomatic bridge??
This axe is gonna need a pretty cool bridge to match it's big bro.Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from ultpanzi on June 12, 2014, 12:19
Due to the neck angle, Im guessing thats gonna have a tuneomatic bridge??
Hurrah! I get it at last. Old and slow, that's me.
So DB, if this is going to be a mega-shredda are you going to scallop any of the fretboard?
OK...
I am thinking along two lines re bridge.
1: A really nice Babicz Full Contact TOM
2: I get Über anal and build the same style of bridge as the Bass....
got to go option 2 DB if its going to be the bass's true little bro !
I'm with Wokka. You've gotta keep the family resemblance.
OK, back to the neck break angle..
the first pic shows the break angle with the routing template in place (clamped down on the body to show angle)
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...1-IMG_2919.JPG
Next up is routing for truss rod. (Two routs required , one short rout with a 1/2" bit to accomodate the turny bitz and the rest is a 1/4" to take the body of the truss rod).
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...5-IMG_2920.JPG
Set the router and guide up, attack the neck with great gusto and hey presto, truss rod rout!
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...5-IMG_2921.JPG
Here is the finished rout and truss rod installed.
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...e-IMG_2922.JPG
Once the truss is in I then rough out the neck shape on the trusty Bando saurus, then off to the Jointer/Planer to square up the edges for the body wings.
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...k-IMG_2928.JPG
Then I place all the chunks of tree together to see how it all fits.. Perfect!
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...e-IMG_2930.JPG
@wokka - agreed :D
@lawry - agreed :)
In a word, No.... ;)Quote:
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from lawry on June 12, 2014, 17:54
Hurrah! I get it at last. Old and slow, that's me.
So DB, if this is going to be a mega-shredda are you going to scallop any of the fretboard?
God, I hate how you make this all look so easy, DB. But I really appreciate you showing how it's done.
Thanks!
But it is easy Lawry!
All it takes is patience, practice and a lot of goolie scratching :)
Gav - no worries - I'm a visual kinda bloke, so it's as much about me understanding what's going on... Hence why it took a while to get it all correct.
DB - looking great! Though a little birdie told me the odd tipple along with the ghoolie scratch doesn't hurt at all with guitar building...
Lawry - this thing's gonna be lucky to have frets - I think there's limited chance that DB would be wanting to make them more pronounced.. :)
Hence why we don't seem to get any women joining here......Quote:
Quote from dingobass on June 12, 2014, 20:51
... and a lot of goolie scratching :)
Yeah.... It is a sausage fest.....
DB, looking sweet mate. The photo of the wing pieces of wood looks like there's a gap between the top wing and the neck ? I'm sure you would have sorted out the gap and planed one of the pieces parallel.
Glad you are going with the MOP bridge/saddles. I might program a visit to check it out and the new fret jig !
The 'gap' is actually a slightly higher profile caused by the break angle of the neck, planed it flat now :)
Aaaaaand here we go!
Wings glued, rough sanded and headstock shaped..
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...i070-image.jpg
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...xopz-image.jpg
http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au...l7w1-image.jpg
ah an optical illusion in the photo, I knew there would be an explanation. Looking sweet as DB, didn't take long to get to this stage !
You will have to hide this axe from me when its finished. I can see this in my collection ! haha
Is it just me or is there something IceManesque about this guitar?
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-con...-1-150x120.jpg
DB - you OK - I'm sensing something subliminal coming through here...
She's amazing already DB. You make it look so effortless!
cheers,
Gav.