You got it WeirdBits, but I would prefer just the one model, with other specs available by Special Order. So, let's start at a "Deluxe" version and, if we find it's too pricey, we can start trimming some of the bling.
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You got it WeirdBits, but I would prefer just the one model, with other specs available by Special Order. So, let's start at a "Deluxe" version and, if we find it's too pricey, we can start trimming some of the bling.
Anywhere around $200-$250 will be a good price!
Here's my massive contribution:
- A semi-hollow body Strat type, but modified to make it stand out from any other Strat shape (probably that 2nd pic that Adam put up that was on top of the red "Thinline" style Strat
Mahogany body, with a highly figured veneer on top (I think flame maple)
The body should be flat top, contoured back, with some good looking "triple binding" on the top
Fretboard: Rosewood or Ebony (bound to the neck!)
Inlays: Mother of Pearl (maybe have Pit Bull Guitars inlayed!)
Nut: DB, get the bone ready!
Pickups: P-90 / Bucker / P-90
Bridge: Andy's Constant Pivot Bridge
Hardware: GOLD!!!
3-a-side machine heads (gives more room to tune!)
No scratch plate to show off the top!
5-way rotary switch
Mini-toggle switch for phase shifting
Side mounted jack maybe???
Treble bleed mod
Sound good???? This was an edited version of Adam's idea, so some of it is the same!
EDIT: Sorry for the double-post!
2 more very dirty sketches.
The first is pretty much a strat with a big fat les paul bum.
The second is a classic shape that I tried to modify to my own taste. It's a little bit strat and a little bit Rick-ish. The problem is I could spend all day doing sketches like this, and still not be satisfied with what I come up with.
And like wierdbits, I really like the idea of a string through body as opposed to a tremolo (even though these two drawings have the latter.)
Anyway, here they are:
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...1aw4-image.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...7y91-image.jpg
Nice work Stui. DB is here with me and we both love the top design. DB says it's a little "bottom heavy" and this could be resolved by making the bottom perfectly symmetrical with the top.
I guess we just need to see this drawn up in CAD now...
Thanks! The top one was my favorite too, I thought it was a good compromise for those who like fenders vs those who like gibsons. I agree it does look a little bottom heavy, but as I said before, it was a dirty sketch. Unfortunately I can't draw this up in CAD, my resources don't stretch that far :(Quote:
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 13:44
Nice work Stui. DB is here with me and we both love the top design. DB says it's a little "bottom heavy" and this could be resolved by making the bottom perfectly symmetrical with the top.
I guess we just need to see this drawn up in CAD now...
This is something I can do. It might take a few days as I'm a bit busy atm, but let me know what you need and I can get it done.Quote:
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 13:44
I guess we just need to see this drawn up in CAD now...
I really like where this is going, with great contributions from a range of regulars.
It's tricky, balancing wish-lists, affordability, desirability, point of difference ... but this is now getting nice and close. The idea of a PitBull "signature" design is really good, but for it to be at all worthwhile, it's got to be affordable.
I actually liked Stui's second sketch, being close to the middle pic Adam posted earlier, but I recognise the Strat/Les Paul cross-over-ness going on with the favoured first one. I just wonder if it's a bit close to the existing PBG-2. Not that that's a bad thing, but the body shape exists - with different routing, that shape could be made to serve the purpose we're driving at. Something else to consider, I suppose.
Hey Pablo, thanks, if you can do something like this (below), which I did quickly by combining a tech drawing of a Strat with a Les Paul, and leave the bridge and controls to be added as we decide.
DB and I like the idea of a reversed headstock, but there's some consensus for 3 a side or 4/2 a side, which we also like. Maybe everyone can agree on a headstock before you start the drawing. Or we can order them with the headstock blank... without machine head holes??
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...fj-LESTRAT.jpg
Blank headstock..... = more jobs for DB :PQuote:
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 16:31
At least ya get something else to do!!!
I'd be concerned about not pre-drilling the headstock, as I suspect many amateur builders would find it quite difficult to drill 6, 4 or even 3 accurately aligned machine head holes... and that would not be a good way to start a kit. Unless, of course, DB wants to spend all his time drilling and shaping headstocks.
On a side note: reverse headstocks are an abomination and should never been seen, discussed or even considered. The only time an upside down headstock is acceptable is if you are Hendrix playing a righty strung as a lefty ;)
I have to admit, I'm not a big fan of reverse headstocks either. Would much prefer a 4/2 or 3/3 headstock. 4/2 would be a point of difference to the other kits.Quote:
Quote from WeirdBits on April 13, 2013, 19:08
On a side note: reverse headstocks are an abomination and should never been seen, discussed or even considered. The only time an upside down headstock is acceptable is if you are Hendrix playing a righty strung as a lefty ;)
4/2 sound awesome! Will definitely set this thing out from other Strats in another way!
No reverse headstocks.....
What may be really nice is to position the Pitbull guitar as the goto standard when folk are looking to get more serious about their guitar and guitar building hobby.
This is why I think having a Coil splitting capability or reverse polarity will be good. Combine this with a sexy guitar body and neck and it will be a guitar that everyone will want after trying their hand at some of the standard options.
some nice idea's coming out of the discussion.
Yep, I like the idea of a 4/2 headstock.
All of our kits are either 3+3 or 6 a side. A 4/2 combo will be one point of difference that will add to the uniqueness of the PBF 1...
Hows that for a name Adam? the Pit Bull Forum 1..... :D
She who must be obeyed WITHOUT EXCEPTION has thrown in a great suggestion, how about a red coral stone inlay logo on the headstock?
Sigh.... Coil split.... I feel like I have created a monster by posting the article on how to! 8O
I like the idea of a coloured headstock inlay, but you immediately potentially limit the finish and colour options that would work with it... which restricts the customer. Perhaps a more viable option would be to include a custom Pit Bull insignia/logo on the truss rod cover (engraved or printed)? That way you can have something that shows it is the Pit Bull signature model, but that the customer can simply change it if they want something else?Quote:
Quote from dingobass on April 13, 2013, 20:17
[...] how about a red coral stone inlay logo on the headstock?
I second that.Quote:
Quote from WeirdBits on April 13, 2013, 20:39
I like the idea of a coloured headstock inlay, but you immediately potentially limit the finish and colour options that would work with it... which restricts the customer. Perhaps a more viable option would be to include a custom Pit Bull insignia/logo on the truss rod cover (engraved or printed)? That way you can have something that shows it is the Pit Bull signature model, but that the customer can simply change it if they want something else?
Photoshop FTW 8-)
Here's a rendering I put together, nice bit of wood with the body created by mirroring the bottom of a strat... Keeps the balance nice and the scallops could also be mirrored.... The head also looks the same either way up.... Yes, I've developed a guitar that suits lefty's as well as all you other weird guys.... :P
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...390-Image3.jpg
Nice concept, but I can't say I'd be tempted by a perfectly symmetrical body. Maybe it's just me, but I like the bottom cutaway further back than the front.
I agree with the cover plate idea.... But Guys, a little help here! Miss Fiona has spoken and I will never hear the end of it :P
DB, sorry, no coral stone inlay in the headstock.
Ok, I'm sensing that's a firm No on the reverse headstock. I'm cool with that. I like the idea of a 4 and 2, perhaps with our own headstock shape. Start sketching people..
Yes, we should do the PBG tag on the truss rod cover, nice idea.
This is developing nicely folks and there's no hurry, so we can take our time to be sure we get something we all like.
MikeL - whatever we come up with will be available in Lefty as well. We never leave a member behind!
One final dirty sketch for your consideration. I know there's not a massive difference between this and the LP/strat, but the cutaways are a little bit thicker and more pointy.
I've also put in a semi hollow version if that's something anyone would be interested in.
This is my last dodgy sketch I promise :D
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...3757-image.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...o33u-image.jpg
Nice work again Stui, I like the Ricky style hole over the semi-hollow body idea... could just be a bit of a cavity underneath (I'm think of the price).
I think someone was working on some CAD drawings of the LP/Strat idea, so let's see what they come up with.
If we can agree on a basic body shape then we can then start addressing other specifics (pickups, bridge, etc).
RUN TO MELBS!!! hehe...Quote:
Quote from dingobass on April 13, 2013, 21:36
I agree with the cover plate idea.... But Guys, a little help here! Miss Fiona has spoken and I will never hear the end of it :P
This kit should have decals with signatures of certain people maybe???
This is not a Strat anymore, It's a Les RickenCaster!!!!
I am loving the 4+2 headstock alignment. Just like my EB Morse!
Not dodgy at all. In fact the body shape in the top sketch, particularly the horns, is very reminiscent of my beloved Westone Thunder I (version 3, light Oak colour)), that I regrettably sold in the mid '90's (endless, endless, endless regret). The shape was familiar, but slightly different, and very comfortable with nice contours and shaping. Laminated Ash, Maple and Walnut body with Maple neck and Rosewood fretboard. Gorgeous looking, endless sustain and never went out of tune (brass nut, brass saddles and string-through with one-piece string ferrule/retainer block), thin neck that was a joy to play, and coil-split on the humbuckers. Really great guitar, but I was never entirely happy with the sound… but I think that was more an issue with the operator. As much as I loved it, I don't think I truly appreciated how good it was until long after I sold it. If I could buy it back tomorrow, I would.Quote:
Quote from stui on April 14, 2013, 19:47
[…] This is my last dodgy sketch I promise
Looking back at the entire 1983 Westone catalogue it actually has some amazing stuff. Again, it's familiar but different with some cool twists… ah, the 80's. Anyway, if the Community kit ended up with a body like the Thunder I, but with a 4/2 headstock… I wouldn't be complaining ;)
I can't find the pics of my own treasure, but here's a few google'd ones that show the shape, contour and features (the first is a Thunder I, while the latter are a Thunder Ia - the same but with active electronics):
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...extraLarge.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...cae6bf50_z.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...3d356773_z.jpg
Scott,
that Westone thunder looks amazing, a Pitbull kit of similar shape with 4/2 headstock would be the ducks nuts for sure. Never seen one till now and fell in love with the shape and wood finish in mili seconds !
Only if time travel was possible you could go back and unsell ur Thunder axe !
Huh. Never seen or heard of Westone before, but you're right, the thunder is a very similar shape to the sketch. I wouldn't be complaining either if the pbg community kit turned out a similar shape to that.
Scott, that design is pretty close to the mark. I like it a lot.
I also enjoyed browsing the 1983 catalogue! Taking into account the 1983 exchange rate and inflation (but not shipping and relative cost of materials), that guitar would still only retail for A$550.13! A blinged-up Pitbull Guitar can come in at not much less than that. I think there's something in that for all of us.
I'm loving the ideas on this. My preference at this moment is pablo's black and red beauty! How on earth would you stain it like that? Along with the 4/2 pegs and Adams HSS black pickups. I'm not sure whether it was a string through though, but it should be. With a signature pbg head stock and decaled truss rod cover.
But, let's see what else comes up. I was fairly impressed with the thunder shape
Okay, so I've had a crazy busy week so far but I made a start on this file today. First of all, there are a LOT of ideas going on here that I've tried to condense into something workable. Front stratocasteresque, back les paulish, Stui's more angular cutaways and slightly cinched waist. This is the first attempt I've been happy with and seems like it will balance okay, not weigh a ridiculous amount and has the whole 'classic but original' vibe. I'm basing it on a strat scale length and non angled neck. Just an outline for now, let me know what you think. (Sorry for the crappy photo of a screen thing).
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...q50c-image.jpg
Pablo, that looks great!!!! I think that we can leave the body as-is for now, maybe work on the other stuff a bit?
Looks good Pablo, the only things I would change would be to make the bum slightly fatter, and slightly shorten the horns, to give it a more Thunder-like appearance. That's just my opinion though, and it's what I was going for in the rough drawings
There are some really great ideas flowing here guys! Keep 'em coming!
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Quote from stui on April 17, 2013, 19:16
Looks good Pablo, the only things I would change would be to make the bum slightly fatter, and slightly shorten the horns, to give it a more Thunder-like appearance. That's just my opinion though, and it's what I was going for in the rough drawings
Edit: I am a fool. Please ignore.
Alrighty, shorter horns, fatter bum. Check. I like it better now.
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content...8-03-52-AM.jpg
Edit: And in correct orientation now!