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Bass Guy
13-05-2015, 02:43 PM
Hey gang,

I have secured a lovely bit of maple veneer from Brendan (thanks again, mate!) which I am going to put on the headstock face of Gloria to help disguise the redrilling of the machine head holes.

I have never worked with veneer before, so I am looking for advice on application, and any pitfalls for rookie players to be wary of. I am reliably informed Wokka is the go-to guy in this regard... 😀

Cheers,

El

keloooe
13-05-2015, 02:51 PM
I would trim the headstock down so when the veneer is applied the tuners can still fit nicely and id use a spindle sander to do the final sanding of the headstock shape

wokkaboy
13-05-2015, 03:08 PM
Hey BG, yeah I've done tons of headstock veneers and it gives the axe a nice personal touch.
First I trace the shape of the headstock paddle onto the veneer and make sure the veneer will cover the whole paddle. Trim the veneer down with a sharp knife leaving a bit of excess so it can move around a bit while gluing and still cover the whole paddle. Clean the surface of the headstock with a water damp cloth. Once its dried smear titebond onto the headstock face, and try smooth out any blobs of glue as these will cause lumps in the veneer. I place the veneer onto the headstock. Prior have a flat piece of scrap wood that will cover the area and you will need at least 8-10 clamps, more the better. I start with a clamp at the top end so the scrap wood is butt up to where the curve starts. Then I squeeze in a piece of dowel to keep the curved section of the veneer held down.
Then leave to dry for at least 3 or 4 hours. Make sure the veneer covers ALL of the headstock and it is flush or past where the fingerboard starts, important while the glue is wet.
Then carefully remove the clamps. Draw your headstock shape and cut it.
Then sand as usual.
Drill out the tuner holes. This I do starting with a small drill say 2.5mm from below to the top of the veneer to locate the holes, try for the centre. Then from above I use say 5mm drill and drill slowly in reverse, as the veneer tears out very easily. Then step up the drill sizes to slowly drill out to the tuner hole size.
Same with the truss rod hole, you have to take a guess where it is so take a photo before the veneer goes on. I use a small drill and then once its located use one of those small art blades to cut out the shape.
This is delicate work as the veneer is probably less than 1mm thick.
I also face the veneer onto the bench, once dried and you can trim excess off with a sharp blade.
Good luck !
If you aren't certain of the process I can help you out on a weekend or weeknight. Its worth having enough clamps to have no spaces between the clamps so you may need a dozen or so on a bass headstock. You will have to leave it at my workshop while it dries or take it home and return clamps, or bring whatever clamps you have.
I've stuffed up quite a few veneers in the learning process and had to sand it back and start again. Have you got enough veneer for 2 veneers in case?

WeirdBits
13-05-2015, 04:21 PM
Here's how I applied a headstock veneer (http://www.buildyourownguitar.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=3204&p=62874&viewfull=1#post62874) on a build, if it's of any use. I roughed up the headstock face with 120 grit before glueing on the veneer to ensure a good bond and that left me with a nice clean edge join once it was all sanded back to shape.

(and no Wokka, that build isn't finished yet)

wokkaboy
13-05-2015, 04:25 PM
nice one Scott I remember that, this is a much more detailed method BG with photos and probably some better methods.

Bass Guy
13-05-2015, 04:46 PM
Awesome, guys! Thanks very much for this, I wil peruse these thoroughly!

I have also decided on the headstock shape (see the Gloria thread in the My Build Diary section) and based on what Brendan gavesp me this should be small enough to give me two stabs at the veneering if I goof it badly. 😆

dingobass
13-05-2015, 06:10 PM
I use a foam roller to spread the glue out evenly and without bubbles.
Cost me $2.

wokkaboy
13-05-2015, 07:34 PM
hey DB where did you get the $2 foam roller from ? Might have to get one, good tip
From the green shed ? hahaha

keloooe
13-05-2015, 08:27 PM
hey DB where did you get the $2 foam roller from ? Might have to get one, good tip
From the green shed ? hahaha

Haha yeah I think I saw him walking into the big green shed on my CCTV cameras...

wokkaboy
14-05-2015, 09:51 AM
hey Pest can you please upload the CCTV footage to youtube and post the link. Start a new thread name and shame hahaha

keloooe
14-05-2015, 10:13 AM
hey Pest can you please upload the CCTV footage to youtube and post the link. Start a new thread name and shame hahaha

Ok, I'll do it now!

stan
14-05-2015, 12:57 PM
wonder if the $2 shop is an approved vendor......

keloooe
14-05-2015, 01:27 PM
wonder if the $2 shop is an approved vendor......

Haha nah Stan, I'll send you my CCTV footage on Facebook, show DB walking into Bunnings.

sgriffiths
15-03-2016, 05:49 AM
Once its dried smear titebond onto the headstock face, and try smooth out any blobs of glue as these will cause lumps in the veneer. I place the veneer onto the headstock. Prior have a flat piece of scrap wood that will cover the area and you will need at least 8-10 clamps, more the better.

I remember reading a discussion about different sorts of titebond and some being better than others, which one would you choose? Is their liquid hide any good?

stan
15-03-2016, 06:04 AM
i've used titebond original with good results

robin
15-03-2016, 05:13 PM
Original Titebond user here as well. Although a novice working with veneers the few jobs I have done have turned out ok. I think as long as you don't play the guitar out in the pouring rain it should be ok.

dingobass
16-03-2016, 10:24 AM
Hey Stan, $2 shop is on the list of approved vendors :)