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ponch
14-08-2014, 04:45 AM
Hey guys. I got a Tele thinline kit a few years back as a gift so no idea if it came from pb or not. Nice guitar, plays good, sounds great but looks like a pig. I had no idea what I was doing. Had a metallic silver orange paint that I sanded before clearing which I didn't polish. Matte unmetallic orange shite.
So I'm using it as a test bed for techniques for the upcoming ib7. It'll be candy orange front and back, white painted binding and marble sides. Neck and I'll be clear, and the logo will be sprayed on.
So far I've had it timbermated, hung up and had the first coats of primer put on. Let it hang in there shed, came back and it fell of the hook onto the concrete. I wonder if pbhq heard the profanities from there.
Oh well, it's sanded all the dodgy bits out, only drama was chip near the f hole. No more.timber mate and the closest bungggg sorry db, to get more is in Mackay, a 5 hour round trip. Soooooooooo super glue it is.
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wokkaboy
14-08-2014, 05:52 AM
if the kit was purchased more than 2 years ago doubt its a PBG kit. Plus it looks different to the thinline kit they offer, pickguard is a different shape and has a humbucker neck pup.
Anyway not good to have a hanging fail and it falls on concrete
post some pics and let us see how its looking now

vh2580
14-08-2014, 06:02 AM
Sounds like you are out Moranbah way Andrew. Theres two of us PBG builders in Mackay.

wokkaboy
14-08-2014, 06:07 AM
thats it Lozza and Tony are in Mackay so you can have a PBG get together north Qld !

ponch
14-08-2014, 07:46 AM
Yeah buddy fnq party. Yeah I doubt it's a pbg kit hence in this forum.
@tony, yeah mate. We are in beautiful moranbah.
@wokka here are a few pics. It's primed with 2 mist coats of white. Its just the cheapo sca acrylic but it comes out prety nice.

Tomorrow will be sanding the white back, binding, then black the sides out, marble them, silver the top and back, and hopefully get some candy going.
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ponch
15-08-2014, 04:04 AM
So silly me thinking I can get a good job with a rattle can. Nope. This is just the first mist coat of the gun. Still acrylic but with a compressor instead of a can. Shite, no wonder the pros use this gear. I was lucky on a recent trip to mackay, shipping for a compressor. All suitable compressors for hvlp guns were way too expensive. Enter supercheap. They had a 60l compressor, a 1.7, and 1.4 gun, a .8 touch up gun and a pressure reg, hose andbfittings for $199. Giddy up!
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wokkaboy
15-08-2014, 04:16 AM
1st black coat on sides looks good Andrew, I saw that kit at Supercheap advertised for $199, sounds like a good deal. Plenty of work to do but will keep you busy !

ponch
15-08-2014, 04:53 AM
Marbling done, now to let it dry for a half hour and tape her up, silver th front and back, clean down and candy her up. Spraying with a compressor is so much quicker as well. Most of the paint is ending up on the guitar and not bouncing off like with the cans.
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ponch
15-08-2014, 05:06 AM
Here it is with the tape removed showing the white. Not sure if I should candy over it as well, or take it up and have the contrast of the white against the orange.
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wokkaboy
15-08-2014, 05:09 AM
looks great Andrew, how you doing the marbling, put paint on a plastic bag and dab the sides ?
Hope thats not your foot with nail polish in the 2nd pic haha
I'd leave the binding white and see how it looks, can always go back later and colour it if you want

ponch
15-08-2014, 05:23 AM
Haha nah mate not my foot. Or is it.....
With the marble I'm just spraying a small section about the width of my hand silver, pretty heavy coat, then I have a bout 6 shopping bags all inside another into a ball, then dab it while the paints wet. You can also use glad wrap. YouTube spray chief candy paint, there is a demo of the candy orange I'm using as well and how he marbles with glad wrap.

ponch
15-08-2014, 05:28 AM
I'm thinking the same thing but the boss reckons candy it. Hmmm....

lawry
15-08-2014, 05:29 AM
Wow. That's pretty cool. Never seen a finish like that on a guitar before. Kinda like it!

ponch
15-08-2014, 05:32 AM
Thanks mate. The inspiration was this thing. I had this Tele already so using to get the hang of hvlp guns, marbling and spraying candy so any mistakes I make now I can eliminate when I do the ib7. Same deal with the spalted lp with the chip. My practice run for staining. Got a custom ib7 with a quilted top on the way.
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stan
15-08-2014, 05:47 AM
very nice effort Andrew, looks a million bucks

ponch
15-08-2014, 06:38 AM
Thanks mate.
So candy is sprayed, let it dry and removed the tape. I can't believe I did this! Probably not perfect by any stretch, but I'm a chef by trade and the closest I've come to painting and wood work is food colours and wooden spoons! Going back to work tomorrow so this guy will hang out for a few weeks til the lp is ready to clear and I'll do both these guys at the same time.

ponch
15-08-2014, 06:43 AM
There were a few spots where the candy crept under the tape but the white has 3 coats so I'll just be super careful with some 0000 steel wool and clean it up next week.
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ponch
15-08-2014, 06:45 AM
Last one for the day.
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Nickosaurus
15-08-2014, 12:13 PM
Damn! Those sides are beautiful man.

Can you explain what candying is?

ponch
15-08-2014, 01:06 PM
thanks man! i'll try, but bear in mind i'm no expert. candy is a very translucent clear coat with colour that when sprayed over a large flake, highly metallic base coat creates depth of colour, a wet look. remember those candy apples? the paint tries to replicate the same effect. when doing a candy it is important to lay a gaudy metallic down first, think those sparkle finishes that gretsch uses. with the candy over it, cleared and polished it will look like a deep colour, but under light you will be able to see the shimmer from the metallic just enough so it creates an interesting effect. here is the youtube link to the video of the guys from where i bought the paint from demoing it. they also explain it pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz7OPfQ-Lfo

the paint is a spray chief product, acrylic based and comes ready mixed in a 250ml bottle which was more than enough to do the guitar, it was about $28 i think from memory. pretty sure the place is called vg auto paints, and they deliver.

that video i posted explains the marbling technique also. he uses glad wrap which makes the texture of the effect alot finer with alot of strightish lines where the one i opted for was a bunch of coles shopping bags all bunched inside another and tied off so it was a larger round surface.

next time i do it i will thin the metallic out a bit more than the recommended 1:1 as you only get about 5-10 seconds to do the marbling before it starts to flash of and get tacky.

also, with the candy as its such a light colour designed to be built up over a series of passes, i am inexperienced with the spray guns so when i was doing a spray pattern test i could only see a little colour so cranked the mixture knob up. the guitar turned out awesome, but knowing this now i can dial it back a bit, conserve the paint a bit more and have a bit more control over the amount of paint going onto the job knowing that with a few more passes i can still get the same result, less waste, and more control.

hope this helps

ponch
15-08-2014, 01:09 PM
also, do a google image search for candy apple paint, or candy paint guitars. it'll come up with millions of hot rods and classic cars which is what this product is usually used for, but it will give you an idea of what the colours look like polished up, and also what base colours look like under candies. i used silver under orange candy, but lots of guys use gold under orange, or red. you get some great results doing metallic black under red or green as well. just think of the candy as your clear coat which has been tinted, and the base colour is what provides the depth and highlites. the combos are pretty much endless.

Nickosaurus
15-08-2014, 02:01 PM
Yeah sweet man. Really dig it. Should look maaaaad on your IB7 too!

ponch
15-08-2014, 03:12 PM
Fingers crossed! Turned out good on the trial but come show time things have a habit of giving me a headache. Fingers and toes crossed.

ponch
18-08-2014, 11:01 AM
A few pics to show the candy, and what it'll look like with the pick guard and neck in place.
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Nickosaurus
18-08-2014, 01:21 PM
So cool man. Looks like that neck has some nice grain too

west0288
18-08-2014, 01:33 PM
That looks so damn hot! Definitely giving me ideas for the future. ;)

I wish I had seen the deal for $199 spray gun, compressor and fittings. That is an insane bargain. The guns alone cost that much! Lucky as, mate.

ponch
18-08-2014, 01:49 PM
Thanks lads. Yeah the gun kit that came with it was on the shelf seperately for $219. Deal of the century.

jarrod
18-08-2014, 02:15 PM
Nice Andrew, here is a similar method I did on my scratch built PRS.
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ponch
18-08-2014, 02:55 PM
Mate you're a genius. Honestly, that thing is perfect. What did u use for the marbling?

ponch
18-08-2014, 02:58 PM
And that's a scratch build? That's immaculate man. Where did you learn to do that?

wokkaboy
19-08-2014, 12:30 AM
Hey Andrew, love the candy finish on the tele looks great.
I've seen Jarrod's PRS and it is a hand built scratchy. He got the marbling effect putting paint on a plastic bag and dabbing it on the body. It looks even better in the flesh !

ponch
19-08-2014, 01:39 AM
It's amazing hey. Would love to do a scratchy one day but no idea where to start!

jarrod
21-08-2014, 12:40 PM
Thanks guys, Andrew it comes from years of air brushing and well the build is actually my first scratch build by hand. Mate its all about taking your time and just getting things right. The wife says im an OCD perfectionist lol....this forum is a great place to pick up handy tips for many things. Just remember your efforts are creating something that will last a long time so whats the rush. I want an axe to look like a bought one so if it takes 2 to 3 months to achieve that then so be it.

ponch
22-08-2014, 12:55 AM
Thanks mate. You know I'm a fan of your work. And that new one in the build is going to be incredible.

ponch
29-08-2014, 03:50 AM
4 coats of clear on this. The marbling looks nuts in the sun with the clear on.
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ponch
29-08-2014, 05:32 AM
With 8 coats of clear.
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ponch
29-08-2014, 05:39 AM
Some shiny left hand real estate.
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Nickosaurus
29-08-2014, 06:02 AM
droooool

wokkaboy
29-08-2014, 06:10 AM
nice work Andrew, those small goosebumps on the body should disappear when it dries

ponch
29-08-2014, 06:19 AM
Cheers guys. Hope so, it's getting wet sanded and polished up anyway so any orange peel should disappear

jarrod
29-08-2014, 06:29 AM
No Wokks I'm afraid it wont, a lot of cutting back to do you have my young Padwi.
Marble effect looks spot on Andrew but you need to add a little more thinners to your clear and check your gun and pressure settings. also it looks very thick for 4 coats. your finish on a guitar should only be about .008" thick so you can keep as much good tone qualities from the wood as possible. It is possible to have a beautiful shinny axe and still get tone , but like any finish on a guitar it must be kept very thin.

ponch
29-08-2014, 06:42 AM
Yeah I thought so. First time using the 2k, just used the recommended ratios, 2:1 paint to gardener with no thinners. Thankfully it's on the Tele test bed and not the ib7. This ended up getting 8 coats with the intention to go berserk cutting it back. Petrified of rubbing through the clear and wrecking the candy.

jarrod
29-08-2014, 06:56 AM
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from andrew on August 28, 2014, 15:42
Yeah I thought so. First time using the 2k, just used the recommended ratios, 2:1 paint to gardener with no thinners. Thankfully it's on the Tele test bed and not the ib7. This ended up getting 8 coats with the intention to go berserk cutting it back. Petrified of rubbing through the clear and wrecking the candy.
I hear you mate, it takes a bit of experience to feel your thickness levels. 20% of thinners at least should be mixed in your paint for spraying and pressure should be around 15 to 18 psi. The good news is yes you can cut it back. You have nailed the marble effect , it looks great.
Here is the Nebular after 4 coats of clear. One more thin coatand 3 weeks of leaving it to harden up then cut and polish.

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wokkaboy
29-08-2014, 06:59 AM
wow Jarrod Nebular looks spectacular, that looks very similar to DT karajini red stain ?

jarrod
29-08-2014, 07:11 AM
Thanks Wokks, I cant wait for you to have a play for a second opinion when it's finished. The colour is a toned down Cherry red dye . I need to to tee up with DB actually to test DT colours with clear coat.

ponch
29-08-2014, 07:56 AM
Wow man. That thing is beautiful. Reminds me a bit of the satch Ibanez. Yeah the marble turned out well. I might try to have a bit more black coming through next time but for the first go I couldn't be happier. Thanks for the tip with the thinners and the pressure. I was spraying at 30psi

maxaxe
29-08-2014, 08:15 AM
Wow is right . . .
This is gunna be a really worthwhile guitar when it's done.
The light reddish candy paint is reminiscent of a pomegranate's seeds which sorta gleam too.
Is the photo pretty close to the real colour?

jarrod
29-08-2014, 08:33 AM
Yer its prety much the same max. Not paint though its dye.

jarrod
29-08-2014, 09:05 AM
Anyway not hijack andrews thread, the tele will look dam cool once cut back Andrew.

ponch
29-08-2014, 09:53 AM
Dude hijack away. With an axe like that you can hijack all you want!

jarrod
29-08-2014, 11:33 AM
/<\\/p>[]<\\/p>/Quote from andrew on August 28, 2014, 18:53
Dude hijack away. With an axe like that you can hijack all you want!

Dude you might appreciate this LP I built too, again all dyes and clear coat.

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ponch
29-08-2014, 08:18 PM
Pure class mate. Love it.

jarrod
31-08-2014, 02:31 AM
Hows that tele coming on Andrew. Curing away.

ponch
31-08-2014, 02:41 AM
Yeah mate just hanging out. Question for you actually. A few sites I've read say to block with wet dry and then cutting compound 24/48 hours after drying otherwise the paint goes too hard, where others say not to and leave it for 3 weeks. Then others say only wait the month or so to wax it but sanding/cutting is fine after a few days. What do you do with 2k clears?

ponch
31-08-2014, 03:15 AM
Also the tech sheet for the clear says 20 hours dry time if that makes any difference.

jarrod
02-09-2014, 09:45 AM
Mate I spray two pack and the finish out the gun is good with no cut or polish needed so I couldn't really answer that one