Purple Veins

[VanHaydn]

A new Guitar is born !

I want to play with my big purple rails!

QLD Maple in centre
Purple Heart as Rails
Birds-Eye Rock Maple as body

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so centre is done
more pics to follow as we trug along!

[maxaxe]

At the risk of appearing like a fikhead, may I ask what "Purple Heart" is?

[VanHaydn]

here ya go

http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/purpleheart/

[VanHaydn]

thanx for this advice Dingobass
Quote "Mmmmmm.. pretty!
I would glue it up and rack it for six months to make sure that the timbers all move together.. some times it takes a while for any variation in shrinkage or expansion to become evident.
It would be a pity for you to find this out after you have built the Guitar... been there.. :(""

no chance of waiting that long ..but i hope you dont tell me "I told you so!" if it does come apart I will dowel and biscuit it and resin glue it...thanx anyway bro im about to walk down that road you have been before so lets see what comes of it
cheers
H

[dingobass]

I cant see it coming apart, especially if you used Titebond or any Aliphatic resin type glue.

What may, emphasis on may, happen is that you might find that the timbers move in such a way that when you run your hand over it you might feel a ridge where one timber moved more than its neighbour..

The two timber Tele I built some time back has done just that.. the Celery Top Pine has shrunk about 1mm more than the Blackwood, weird as both timbers were fully cured!

No great drama with this build as I can simply run the body through the drum sander and make it flat... Glad I kept this one though, would have been rather embarressing if it had been sold ;)


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[VanHaydn]

Cool love that design!

I think it was down to their density's and not the cured parts, one can absorb more than the other for sure ...so ive got 3 different densitys to look forward to , they are pretty close i rekon the qld maple being the softest right now, the purple heart is pretty hard quite close to the rock maple..so once its sealed it will move less I rekon...well can only hope hehehe...

[dingobass]

You may have a good point re density.. I must admit I had not even thought of that.. D'OH! :P

Interestingly, the Celery Top is just as hard as the Blackwood and heavier, but it was the Celery Top that shrank more.
Food for thought and more research! :)

It was the Maple that had me wondering about differential shrinkage.
This is going to be a great experiment and I reckon regardless of any changes that may happen, this will make a beautiful Guitar.

[VanHaydn]

Cheers
one of my first jobs as a school leaver was working on the government roads department and it was in a lab, our job was to take samples from the roadside they where building and also use this radio active probe that you pushed about a meter into the ground to test density water retention viscosity and shrinkage learned a lot about what water can do to anything porous! I always wondered why the older tecky's sent me out with the probe! and a big radio active sticker on the van with a skull and crossbones! the joys of being a gullable 15 year old!
ok so today will face and shape the wood..
will be curved on both side's and hope to refine my binding channels this time!

[DanMade]

This one is going to be very cool.

If that's the rock maple you got from Lazarides, I think I have the other half of that length of maple that I picked up from there a few weeks ago. I plan on getting a couple of necks out of mine. You can see in the pic that I have some Wenge for the finger boards.

They have plenty of nice Purple Heart there, I was very tempted to grab some. Your use of it here will look stunning.
How is the Purple Heart to work with?
http://www.pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/42f0i-image.jpg

[VanHaydn]

yea Dan it is..
very nice collection you have there...eeer where do you live again? and do you have security hehehe?
i needed another grand at least when i went there hey!
the purple heart makes purple saw dust..thats about all i can say..but its definatly hard!
just upgraded my harware on my cnc machine..cooking on gas now 20000mm/m thats rocking and rolling!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152302357721203

[VanHaydn]

righto here we go....
just did a hardware upgrade on my cnc getting 20000 mm/m out of it so its cranking

some cad tasters of things to come
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[VanHaydn]

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[VanHaydn]

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[VanHaydn]

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cranking .. a bit too fast for a stable clean wall cut, need to slow it down or do a finnish pass on the walls to make a perfect 100% finnish..oh well all part of the discovery. its not damaged, just not 100% its a good 90% but it can be a 100 so why not..next time!

[pablopepper]

Damn that's fast. Throwing a little caution to the wind there?

[dingobass]

Wow.... That is coming along very nicely.
This is going to be one dead sexy Guitar :)

I dont want to sound like a biarch here but i noticed that the centre join looks like it isnt totally flush.
The next toy....errrrrm....tool for you to buy is a jointer/ planer. This will enable you to get your timber edges so flat and square that joins will be invisible :)

Keep up the great work, and I reckon its time for you to take the 'Wanna be' part out of your signature tag and maybe replace it with 'Artist' :)

[quiet1_au]

OMG! - stop it you guys, I have timber & tech envy! (and a mortgage to restrict me from indulging...) :-D

[dingobass]

Yhep... It just keeps getting better :)

[VanHaydn]

Thanx guys....
I will upgrade my triton with the planer attachment next..whoo hoo, thanx for th eadvice dingobass ive not done a lot of guitar wood glueing so will do that next
cheers H

ok todays efforts and my little way of doing the binding!
but first..this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMYOwI3uoXM&feature=youtu.be

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[dingobass]

I like it!
Binding is a lot of fun and this way of doing it just makes a lot of sense when you have the toy to make it easier.
How many wedgy things do you have? it is best to get as many as possible in there, spaced out about ten mm apart.
This way your binding will be tight as... sure beats using binding tape :)

[Brendan]

Looking fantastic! That CNC is a beast of a machine - just to be able to think of a design and throw it into the computer and away it goes - absolutely fantastic!

[VanHaydn]

Cheers
will chop a few wooden wedgies up tommorra and get as many in as possible...best part is they will be reusable!.. i think even if the geet gets released from its stock the stock can still be used as a wedge backplate so will think twice before i trash them and recoop what woods left over..like the qld maple that was from the last build sliced those off the sides and made the centres for this one...

[VanHaydn]

Thanx Brendan...its the throwing into the computer that is the hard part..I can honestly tell you that..Im from africa buddy we are used to sitting around huts baking our gonads in the sun doing as little as possible for as long as possible ...thats the african way...Im totally uneducated left school to work at 15 was in the army at 16 and the rest is just survival , so all this techno mumbo jumbo does not enter the grey matter that easily and when it does it also just falls out as fast...so the last 10 years have been very very interesting ...wish i had had the education from young, Would be at a totaly different level from here..but hey its happening now and its great so stuffit plug it in and make it serve me ! I am its boss and ...eeer swarf cleaner actually hahaha and it gives me toys! so happy really!
really good to discover that stupidity is not the lack of education but something you would choose to be...I choose and chose to learn when i could and can every day..sitting around and smoking spliffs for 20 years certainly gave me a few interesting ideas, but hey those days are gone so now to think whats next is the daily plan!
cheers
H

[VanHaydn]

one for the cnc haters...you gonna love this!
stuffall talent skills or artistry was used here the computer designed eveything on its own,
worked out the angle's,
the curves,
the depths,
the speeds,
where the wood is on the table
,how fast to cut it
when to start and when to stop
, all on it own hey its own by it self ,
one of those inteligent computers called ...wait for it
.......A HUMAN!!!
gotta love machines especially when they do what they told! like in the good old days !



and the binding getting done pronto..that took forever to work out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpsWQ2cxdoM&feature=youtu.be

[stan]

VH you are self educated, home made cnc guitar champion of the world

[VanHaydn]

binding done in the blank
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[dingobass]

Very nice :)

Lovin your new shiny wedgy thingys, can you post a pic of one?

[VanHaydn]

thanx!
sure here ya go
designed it for my helicopters as a servo arm support for high stress high voltage collective servos,holds the outside of the servo arm steady so it doesnt rely on the bearing in the servo housing only..a bearing goes in the big hole..
and now to be used to build bindings!
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[dingobass]

Very clever :)
I should have realised thats what they were..... They are much stronger looking than the stamped out mystery metal servo arms on my Chopper....

[VanHaydn]

like this

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[VanHaydn]

here we go and so it continues
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time to start finish sanding and fitting whoohooo
dang I love this sport!

[DanMade]

Now that's what I call a custom guitar. Just the design in itself is genius, let alone all the programming involved aswell.

Top stuff man.

[wokkaboy]

looks awesome Haydn, can't believe how quickly you turn these builds around. You got some cool shapes and ideas, can't wait to hear the sound demo and see finished pics.
You just clearing the body ? What neck you got lined up ?

[pablopepper]

The last one was good. This one is AMAZING.

[VanHaydn]

Thanx gents

I have a neck, its nice came off something unknown, pity the head-stock is already done but its got a nice finish and is true!
will be clear coating in clear so all natural I love natural woods so stay away from staining or dyes..maybe with that manmade stuff i will give some colors a go
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[Brendan]

Looks like you've found your true calling - they all look amazing.

[Fretworn]

How are your pickups screwed in?

Your approach to guitar design is pretty revolutionary.

[VanHaydn]

thanx
they screw from behind into little ears that ive left into the stock..just reverse of the way it does from a normal top mount also its a pretty snug fit as the tolerances are quite fine...still discovering what my feeds and speeds are in terms of how fast or slow it can go...will get better as each guitar gets built, this is only number 3 so a long road ahead and soo much to discover and learn...each inspires me for something different in the next...my head is already into the next one and thats gonna be a stonking design!...
cheers
H

[VanHaydn]

so fitted neck recessed knobs a bit got wammy mounts in and will finalise the fitment pretty soon now to get started on sanding and cleaning binding before clear
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[maxaxe]

Reminiscent of a classic surf board, a monarch butterfly & some baroque instrument that won't quite come to mind.
The whole deal has me gobsmacked - right outside the square in the best possible way.
Your work really is an inspiration . . .

[jarrod]

Geeze Hayden I'm ROV GUY from arc heli . So your into guitars too. I thought you left to go back to the UK. We know a lot of the same people in the heli world bro. Nice Axe by the way.

[VanHaydn]

thanx Jarrod
yes we did move...now here in Qld on 3 year contract..so after that who knows maybe bahama's
cheers
H

[VanHaydn]

1st clear topcoat goes down!
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[wokkaboy]

wow Haydn looking the goods after 1st coat of clear. What type of clear and method do you use ?

[dingobass]

Looking good! :)

[stan]

what a beast - awesome

[AJ]

I'm drooling! Looks sweet as Haydn.
Any chance you giving me a skype call? My user name is "andyjohns1"

[Brendan]

That's looking amazing!

[VanHaydn]

Thanx agin gents!
Righto after a complete stuff up had to remove all the 1st coat...mixed up my thinner used white spirit instead of Turps and it crinkled ..but get this....only on the purple heart. never seen that before..so all off and here we go again...i used a HVLP spraygun this time, used just the can on the 1st go, then mixed some more, but stuffed up the thinning..
so here we go again round number 2! ting ting ting!
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Oh and just learned you cant let it dry in the sunshine as the purple heart once again is the darker material and the heat absorbtion caused the clear to bubble! oh the tests and trials dont you just love them!?

[Fretworn]

That's looking good!

[VanHaydn]

Thanx!

All strung out ! whoo hoo! sounds great so far..now to finish off the back plates and decide on full floating with 9's or rigid with 10's i prefer 9's and full floating but dont have a 10's with rigid so we see...
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[stan]

that is superb VH, a quality build, interesting and it just looks cool

[johnnychronic]

That's it for you! I can't see any reason to make or own another guitar, sell it now and you can continue to make more, let me just give you my mailing address...

[VanHaydn]

Thanx...
the next one is gonna be a corker! I hope! hehe these things sure test your skills or prove the lack thereof, so hey onwards and upwards I say, bring on the challenges ...not a lot to do to finish this one ...except move the whole bridge forward 5mm so it can set the internation!! damn! I dont like doing that but at least the cnc will be accurate and quick also need to drop the pocket another 3 mm or??? tilt the neck so I can speed up the neck..its a good strummer but lacks the low profile for fast string transitions, The aftermarket LowFrofile FL dont have any setup data so have to do it on what I can find on the net and this one didnt hit the spot in terms of correct scale.. I did measure the scale 100% but obviously they bridge design put the internation points a little aft of the correct spot so needs moving, have another one so now have those numbers...
sooooo NEXT!!!! hehehe have 4 necks and some wood to go!
Im really after learning how to do neck-through designs so thats my goal !

[Brendan]

Looking amazing. Beautiful work!

[VanHaydn]

here ya go a couple sound file,s
cheers
thanx again chaps!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUm7UCDrLQ&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr7YOH-U8V8&feature=youtu.be

[DanMade]

Very cool, nice playing too.

Should be a real beauty once you have dialled in the setup.

[wokkaboy]

sounds and looks awesome well done Haydn, hope you can get the intonation sorted

[Fretworn]

Great looking guitar and it sounds great to.