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phloggy
23-04-2013, 05:11 AM
Are there any plans to offer pedal kits? To me it sounds like a natural extension of the guitar kits, and I can't seem to find a decent Australian pedal kit suppliers anywhere.

Of course, I don't know the logistics and all that guff, but if pedal kits were offered I'd be all over them like a rash.

wokkaboy
23-04-2013, 05:27 AM
Quote from phloggy on April 22, 2013, 14:11
Are there any plans to offer pedal kits? To me it sounds like a natural extension of the guitar kits, and I can't seem to find a decent Australian pedal kit suppliers anywhere.

Of course, I don't know the logistics and all that guff, but if pedal kits were offered I'd be all over them like a rash.

Phloggy,
do you mean a pedal steel guitar like this ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar

can't see Adam wanting to stock a rare style of guitar, surely you can buy one online thats not too expensive ?

I got a pretty good lap steel guitar, 3 legs and carry bag for $150 online, but I spose you want to build it !
cheers Wokka

phloggy
23-04-2013, 05:33 AM
No, guitar pedals. Fuzz, distortion, delay, reverb, boosts, things like that.

Like BYOC, but without the stupid shipping costs.

http://byocelectronics.com/

wokkaboy
23-04-2013, 05:39 AM
Quote from phloggy on April 22, 2013, 14:33
No, guitar pedals. Fuzz, distortion, delay, reverb, boosts, things like that.

Like BYOC, but without the stupid shipping costs.

http://byocelectronics.com/

oh ok, not a bad idea, you want to build an effects pedal from a kit ?

which state you from ?

Jaycar electronics sell some cool kit projects, they may sell a distortion kit

Gavin1393
23-04-2013, 05:42 AM
I also think this is a good idea...

Phloggy, have you looked at http://www.guitarpcb.com/

They are quite reasonable...flat shipping fee of about $21.

wokkaboy
23-04-2013, 05:47 AM
here's an example of a distortion kit, but doesn't have a cover/surround

pretty sure Jaycar are all over the country in cities

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KJ8102

Gavin1393
23-04-2013, 06:08 AM
I wouldnt be going anywhere near Jaycar. First off, they only offer two modules, a distortion and a compressor kit. Secondly, they are horrendously expensive comared to someone like Altronics, but probably most importantly when you buy a kit you expect that all the components will be in the kit...well, no, as it turns out - in fact they don't even supply some of the parts you will need to complete the project you started and have already spent dollars on! Just hopeless - endless stream of complaints from me, and egged on by their own staff - still waiting for an explanation....down $150 on something that was supposed to cost around $72. Never again......

phloggy
23-04-2013, 06:09 AM
Those are all well and good, but I'm pretty lazy. :D They don't come with a housing, or foot switches, or even all the components. If I was going down that path there are plenty of circuit diagrams around the internet, and Jaycar's just around the corner from work.

I wanna order a "Mig Buff 3.14" one day and have a box of parts turn up on my doorstep a couple of days later.

wokkaboy
23-04-2013, 06:13 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on April 22, 2013, 15:08
I wouldnt be going anywhere near Jaycar. First off, they only offer two modules, a distortion and a compressor kit. Secondly, they are horrendously expensive comared to someone like Altronics, but probably most importantly when you buy a kit you expect that all the components will be in the kit...well, no, as it turns out - in fact they don't even supply some of the parts you will need to complete the project you started and have already spent dollars on! Just hopeless - endless stream of complaints from me, and egged on by their own staff - still waiting for an explanation....down $150 on something that was supposed to cost around $72. Never again......

thanks for the tips Gav, I won't buy any Jaycar kits then. Sounds like there kits are as good as Bunnings sandpaper ! haha

Gavin1393
23-04-2013, 06:31 AM
Funny you should mention that Wokka.....

Try the link I gave earlier in this thread Phloggy, you wont be disapointed. They are looking for an Aussie distributor, and I passed it on to Pitbull - but it was decided against for now.

Gavin1393
23-04-2013, 06:37 AM
Quote from phloggy on April 22, 2013, 15:09

I wanna order a "Mig Buff 3.14" one day and have a box of parts turn up on my doorstep a couple of days later.

You mean Big Muff....?

Here are some demo's of the pedals I am building. There are at least 8 varients of the Big Muff on the site

Check these out!

http://www.guitarpcb.com/demos.htm

phloggy
23-04-2013, 06:49 AM
NO! Big Muff is a trademark owned by EHX and I would never suggest buying a knock-off. My "Mig Buff" was just a totally made up example! ;)

keloooe
23-04-2013, 07:34 AM
So Gav, do they have ALL the parts for each kit??? If no, what isn't included?
I might even replicate my own pedalboard with a few of these...

adam
23-04-2013, 08:47 AM
Hey Phloggy, in answer to your question, yes, we do plan to have a range of DIY Effects Pedals in our catalogue before the end of this year.

Gavin kindly put us onto those Guitar PCB guys, but they were a bit specialised for our needs, we need some basic kits that include everything, rather than just the PCBs.

We'll be getting some samples soon, so if you'd like to be a "Beta Tester" and get a kit to try out, stay tuned and we'll be in touch.

keloooe
23-04-2013, 08:59 AM
Hey Adam, do you want me to contact BOYC (Build Your Own Clone) for the pedals??? I have built one or two for a mate of mine, and they include the housings!!!

Gavin1393
23-04-2013, 11:28 AM
Guitar PCB's only supply the board. You need to get the parts, but this is cool because you can choose any number of OpAmps and Transistors which can all affect the sound. The thing I like about this crowd is that you get so many modifications that you can make as well as numerous varients of each pedal. Plus they have a forum much like our own!

keloooe
23-04-2013, 08:53 PM
So for someone who is fairly new to pedal building should first try out BOYC to get the grips on the awesomeness that can be achieved, then later on try GuitarPCB to really flex out their skills???

And I'm guessing there's some diagram or the positions of each part is labelled on the PCB!!!

Gavin1393
23-04-2013, 11:19 PM
I disagree, i think you would learn far more by doing a PCB pedal as there are so many variants. For the price you pay for someone to assemble specific parts you would be able to buy all the variants to try out. That way you learn more than just how the solder a part to a board!

keloooe
24-04-2013, 02:33 AM
But are the parts labelled on the PCB so we know where everything goes and what orientation the parts go???

AJ
24-04-2013, 03:25 AM
Quote from keloooe on April 23, 2013, 11:33
But are the parts labelled on the PCB so we know where everything goes and what orientation the parts go???

Think Kelooooe is asking .... Are the PCB's screen printed with the parts Id's like a true kit PCB would be.. I did one for a 4 axis CNC foam cutter several years ago..am considering turning it into a cnc router.
8-)

keloooe
24-04-2013, 03:44 AM
Quote from AJ on April 23, 2013, 12:25

Quote from keloooe on April 23, 2013, 11:33
But are the parts labelled on the PCB so we know where everything goes and what orientation the parts go???

Think Kelooooe is asking .... Are the PCB's screen printed with the parts Id's like a true kit PCB would be.. I did one for a 4 axis CNC foam cutter several years ago..am considering turning it into a cnc router.
8-)
Yep, that's what I'm saying!!! It makes things a lot easier when they are properly labelled / printed!!!
Ooooohhhh, CNC machines are great, Rickenbacker use them for ALL the routing and cutting, makes factories compact!

pablopepper
24-04-2013, 04:48 AM
I think you will find ALL major manufacturers (even a vast majority of the smaller ones) use CNC these days Callum. Shaping guitars bodies by hand is not even an option when it come to mass production, guitars would cost too damn much and the machine will get them spot on every time.

I've got one, they're a great time saver. :)

keloooe
24-04-2013, 05:05 AM
Well I only got to see Rickenbacker's one, I have seen one, and I totally agree with you Pablo, they are pretty cool!!!

Gavin1393
24-04-2013, 08:54 AM
All the component parts are labelled and there is a huge vault of information on the link I gave complete with plans, alternative parts, huge info on getting started in pedal building, a forum to discuss the builds and alternate parts, section where you can hear completed pedals by forum members. All this was mentioned in earlier posts and links provided.

dingobass
24-04-2013, 09:12 AM
Yep. CNC is a pretty cool toy and Pablo is right, for mass production they are great!
We would not have Pit Bull kits if it wasn’t for the CNC.

However, there is something special about totally hand built Guitars, the small variations between each one makes them all unique.

This is what makes the old Fenders and Gibsons and Rickkies so special.... they were built by hand by Luthiers, not wood machinists...

keloooe
24-04-2013, 09:17 AM
And Custom Shop Axes!!!