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adam
12-04-2013, 11:46 AM
Alright Forum folk, we've got a bit of a project for anyone who wants to be involved...

You know the PBG-1 and PBG-2 kits; they were designed by other customers of our supplier. We would like to have our own Pit Bull Guitars Custom Guitar Kit, designed by you good people, that we stock in quantity and sell at a reasonable price.

So, what does this guitar look like? Strat, LP, Tele, original design?

Solid body or hollow body?

What wood for the body and the neck? Basswood, Alder, Mahogany, Maple, Paulownia, etc? What about the fretboard? Maple, rosewood or ebony?

Does it have a figured cap? Spalted, flame or other?

What pick ups does it have? Single coil? Humbuckers? P-90s? Combination?

What's the scale length? What colour hardware? What style bridge, machine heads, etc? Scratchplate or no scratchplate?

Locking tremolo, Bibsgy or hardtail?

We can do whatever you agree on.

The only condition is that it's not overly specialised. We're not asking for your dream guitar. What we want is something you think will be representative of our Community and guitar players will go, "Wow, what a cool guitar. I must have one!".

So, who wants to start the ball rolling...

Gavin1393
12-04-2013, 08:37 PM
Tele
Solid body or hollow body?
Alder or Mahogany
Maple, rosewood or ebony fretboard
spalted or Flame Cap
P-90s pickups or humbuckers with 4 conductor wires!!!!! Or even TV Jones!!
What's the scale length?
What colour hardware? GOLD BLING!!
Bigsby or locking trem
No f$@king scratchplate....ok, some might like one....chuck one in?


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/eq966-image.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/974ub-image.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/o6dh1-image.jpg

adam
12-04-2013, 08:51 PM
Thanks Gav, nothing but "yes" from me. Let's see what the others think and what else comes up..

There's a lot of swearing and shouting in your post Gav, I take it you're not a morning person?

Gavin1393
12-04-2013, 09:55 PM
Nah! Morning are awesome. I simply don't have much time for Pickguards! Although the gold bling tele one is pretty decent here, but not decent enough that DB would ever attach it!

GlennGP
12-04-2013, 10:00 PM
As much as I'd like to agree that another Tele variant would be the go, the range already has a bunch. Now, that may change once the range rationalisation occurs, at which point a good case could be made for a community-specified version.

I have found it interesting that the range of Strats is pretty much limited to a righty and a lefty. Now, I'm not much of a strat guy (I have an inbuilt resistance to anything "popular"), but I reckon a community-specced Strat could actually pick up some buyers.

What would I want in such a thing?
- make it a nice piece of wood (not basswood) so that those that want to stain can, and those that want to wrap it in lacquer can too.
- chrome hardware as standard - if you want something else you're usually willing to buy it yourself
- it might be cool to include a series/phase switching set up (like this: http://www.guitarfetish.com/BHM-Style-SeriesPhase-Switching-Kit-3-Ply-White-Pickguard_p_1181.html) - kind of a semi-red special!
- hard-tail bridge
- rosewood or ebony fretboard

Anyway, that's a few ideas.

keloooe
12-04-2013, 10:02 PM
Hmmm... Either a Strat or LP...

adam
12-04-2013, 10:12 PM
Thanks Glenn, a Strat style kit, with our custom specs, would be a good way to go.

As far as the wood choices go, they offer:

Body:
Basswood
Mahogany
Alder (but remember the problems we had with worm holes)
Ash (I can ask where the ash is sourced from)
Paulownia

Neck:
Maple
Mahogany

Fretboard:
Maple
Rosewood
Ebony

I think a combination of pups is the way to go; perhaps two single coils with a humbucker in the bridge position.

I think a white pearloid pickguard is a must.

keloooe
12-04-2013, 10:34 PM
Mahogany Strat
Neck: Mahogany or Maple
Electronics: 2 P-90's with Humbucker in the bridge position
Hard tail bridge
Pearloid pickguard
Ebony fretboard

Bass Guy
12-04-2013, 11:00 PM
Basswood Strat with Chambered body
Spalt/Flame maple top
Neck: Maple
Electronics: HSH with 5-way switch
Bigsby tremolo- has a Strat ever had a Bigsby before?
Pearloid pickguard
Rosewood fretboard

robin
12-04-2013, 11:32 PM
Probably not the right person to offer an opinion. As a bass player I have only owned one 6 string guitar and have had it for over 20 years, so not sure what current trends are. Didn't even know what a P-90 was until just now when I googled it.

Body Shape:
Fender Strat - not because I like them (because I don't) but they are the most copied guitar shape in history.

Body wood:
A good tone wood with nice figure - can be wudtoned, stained or painted depending on preference.

Neck:
Probably Maple - can be stained darker if preferred, hard too go the other way;)

Fretboard:
Rosewood/Ebony - Maple is nice, but needs more care and maintenance.

Pick-ups:
2 x standard singles
1 x double - if a P-90 fits the same pup cavity as a humbucker, make it an option.

Bridge:
Hardtail - not totally convinced with cheap tremolos.

Hardware:
I know this will be a financial burden on Adam, but just keep it basic (cheap), but stock up-grades for those who want to option up.

So basically a Strat clone, with the ability to option up the hardware.

Just my 2c worth.

rob

pablopepper
13-04-2013, 12:18 AM
In my opinion, Strats are played out. They are iconic, yes, but they have been done to death. Most people who like strats have one or more already.

I would like to see something a bit more original. Still classic, just not bog standard. If you want a guitar with "WOW" factor, I think a standard looking strat is the wrong move. And giving it a mahogany neck, ebony fretboard and flashy pickguard is not going to set it apart from the millions of others out there.

My initial thought would be to stick with the basic strat shape and think a little outside the box, more along the lines of a Suhr:
http://www.musicplayers.com/reviews/guitars/2010/images/Suhr_full_DSC6117.jpg
or a Mayones:
http://www.ubersonic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Setius-Gothic-red.jpg

Both of these retain that classic look, but with an edge.

keloooe
13-04-2013, 12:49 AM
Hmmmm... Perry should give us ideas!

wokkaboy
13-04-2013, 01:22 AM
Hi Adam,
great idea for the community to design a new PBG guitar.
I tend to agree with Pablo strats are too common and we could go along with that basic shape but like Pablo's suggested pics a more custom shape. Would be great if you could stock a few options such as pickups, body wood type, neck (ebony/rosewood/maple) and possibly 2 single coil pickups and a humbucker arrangement. Maybe a few scratchplate options that would work with or without a scratchplate as the community is divided on scratchplate or none. Also maybe an option for fixed bridge or full floating wammy (although body routes would be different for these options)
I know it would be hard to accomodate all these options so maybe the community can vote on what are the most important options wanted.
The PGB1 and 2 are great looking axes so maybe the shape of them could be modified with a few options parts. I am a drafty so I can play around on autocad with some shapes if you like.

I reckon your best bet is to ask Perry what he suggest would be a popular shape and what gear/options to offer customers that are affordable say $200-$300 with the $300 model having better parts.

cheers Wokka

keloooe
13-04-2013, 01:41 AM
Maybe a customised Gretsch or even a Maton???

Gavin1393
13-04-2013, 01:47 AM
It's certainly interesting viewpoint to take essentially an non-binding guitar and put binding on it as Pablo has suggested. Maybe Perry can allow us to stock some of his pickups with the ability to phase switch, coil tap ect. I'd like to see these added to the catalogue. Then perhaps we can have bodies and necks that are our own Pitbull Guitars stuff?

keloooe
13-04-2013, 02:17 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on April 12, 2013, 10:47
It's certainly interesting viewpoint to take essentially an non-binding guitar and put binding on it as Pablo has suggested. Maybe Perry can allow us to stock some of his pickups with the ability to phase switch, coil tap ect. I'd like to see these added to the catalogue. Then perhaps we can have bodies and necks that are our own Pitbull Guitars stuff?
Yes, yes and YES!!!!

4runner
13-04-2013, 03:26 AM
What i would love, because i could never justify buying the gibson one is an EDS-1275 Double Neck.

http://static.musiciansfriend.com/derivates/19/001/294/338/DV020_Jpg_Jumbo_517600.083_cherry.jpg

MikeL
13-04-2013, 03:30 AM
A dual humbucker strat with single coil switching, no whammy, and no pickguard (solid body for wudtoning)

OR one of these, an Eastwood Airline '59


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/67qq2-eastwood-airline-59-custom-3p-dlx-electric-guitar-white.jpg

keloooe
13-04-2013, 03:34 AM
Mike, that Axe looks awesome!!!!!

MikeL
13-04-2013, 03:43 AM
Quote from keloooe on April 12, 2013, 12:34
Mike, that Axe looks awesome!!!!!

I know, it looks classic and modern at the same time and also is kinda shaped like a stylized Australia map.... It's just plain cool :) and I want one and might scratch make one at some time in the future

keloooe
13-04-2013, 04:28 AM
I like it how most of the controls are up the top, makes it even more unique!
Lol, 1 little control down the bottom...

brianp32
13-04-2013, 05:01 AM
How about a Ricky bass kit, similar to one Lemmy plays.


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/wa5b1-Rickenbacker-4003.jpg

keloooe
13-04-2013, 05:07 AM
Or even one of these (my 2 fav Maton electrics!)

http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/35775-download-2.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/9nnv9-download-3.jpg

stui
13-04-2013, 05:32 AM
I would actually love to see an original design. Something reasonably classic, but something that also screams "This is a Pit Bull guitar". I was thinking 2 versions, one budget, one higher end. The wood in my opinion, should be highly figured, as Wudtone is a big part of the business, and should be a no brainer as an add on to your signature kit. My choice would be paulownia for the basic kit as its a reasonably cheap wood with a lovely figure, and maybe something with a spalted cap for the high end version.

I'm not at home at the moment, but I have something in mind for the shape. I'll get a sketch up if I can later tonight.

I haven't thought much about the hardware yet, I'll get to that after I get down to some drawing.

Maybe the good marks I got in yr 12 visual communication and design will actually come in useful after all these years lol

adam
13-04-2013, 08:38 AM
[quote]Quote from 4runner on April 12, 2013, 12:26
What i would love, because i could never justify buying the gibson one is an EDS-1275 Double Neck.

4runner, we actually have some of these coming in June. I love this guitar, but, we're more after a guitar that would appeal to a broad audience (not just Led Zep fans).

adam
14-04-2013, 12:01 AM
Ok, we're getting some great ideas folks, but I want to reign things in a bit as some of the suggestions are getting a bit "out there" for a guitar with broad appeal. Here's where I think the consensus is at right now:

A Strat type body, but modified to make it our own look. (Let's see what Stui comes up with when he puts his design skills to use). Feel free to post your sketches or photos of other guitars with the shape you like.
Wood for the body: Basswood or Paulownia, with a highly figured veneer on top (I think flame maple)
The Body should be flat top, contoured back, with binding on the top (I like the "triple" binding on the FV-1 and the ES-1G)
Fretboard: Rosewood or Ebony (Ebony will give us a point of difference but it adds about $40 to the retail price).
Inlays: Mother of Pearl?
Nut: I think we can all agree it should come with DB's Bone Nut.
Pickups: some combination of two single coils and a humbucker. Arrangement to be determined.
Bridge: to be determined, but what about Andy's (Wudtone) Constant Pivot Bridge? Or there's a nice locking bridge set up, which is not a Floyd Rosd, that our supplier has. DB and I have one as a sample and it's pretty awesome.
All hardware is to be Gold. (I think black might be the safer option, but give us your preference)
Quality machine heads.
No scratch plate (to make the most of the figured top).


Just to be clear, I don't want to offer options, it's just not manageable from a financial or space perspective. Just 3 different options would mean stocking another 27 kits.

This kit should be the best "Deluxe" kit we can all agree on (around the $200 mark). If someone wants something cheaper they can buy an ST-1. If they want to upgrade components, there's plenty of sites where they can source upgrades and we will be offering better quality parts and accessories within the next few months.

Ok, I don't want to influence the ultimate design, so if you don't agree with any of the above, say so. However, just remember that we can't accommodate everyone's preferences, so some compromise is needed.

Over to you...

keloooe
14-04-2013, 12:13 AM
Sounds like a great plan there Adam!!!
My Strat idea has the pups in P-90 / Bucker / P-90 arrangement, so maybe that could be a neat idea???
Gold would make this kit look the part and make it stand out from most other kits that are in stock, and the Wudtone tremolo bridge sounds great for it! The MOP makes it looks even more on the professional side, the triple binding sounds great

Everything that you just said sounds awesome to me, let's see what the others think!

stui
14-04-2013, 01:04 AM
So the (very rough) sketch below is what I came up with. I've written notes, but they are just suggestions and not set in stone. The design is based on a strat-ish type shape, but takes inspiration from DB's axe of destiny, which was for me, one of the first guitars that convinced me how good Wudtone is. The headstock shape is not important, the body will work with pretty much anything.

I personally think if this is going to be a deluxe model as Adam said, gold hardware is in order, but black would look awesome too. The neck should be bound too. Another option might be to get the headstock pre shaped and get it bound with a spalted veneer, not sure if that's an option?

Anyway, as I said, it's a very rough idea, but I just thought in particular for the body, what would scream out, this is a Pitbull guitar? My answer was a body inspired by a creation from the resident luthier. Feel free to critique :)
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gtlq8-image.jpg

keloooe
14-04-2013, 01:23 AM
Oh... my... God... that is great Stui!!!

adam
14-04-2013, 01:33 AM
Thanks Stui, it's a bit Metal for my personal tastes, but it's not a guitar for me, it's for the Community.

This is kind of where I think the body was heading:

http://www.andersonguitars.com/images/guitarImages/11,18,2005_06-06-49.jpg

Picture this with two single coils like this:

https://www.cbgitty.com/cubecart/images/cache/Pickups/54-019-01_Product_Image_3.600.JPG

and a Humbucker like this:

http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ESP-1-3-720x648.jpg

Thoughts?

keloooe
14-04-2013, 01:36 AM
Sounds noice Adam!!!

wokkaboy
14-04-2013, 01:42 AM
Quote from keloooe on April 13, 2013, 10:36
Sounds noice Adam!!!

yes Adam love the last picture you posted, I'd buy one of those for sure. An original design sounds good too !

stui
14-04-2013, 01:42 AM
Looks nice, but I was just hoping for a little more originality with the body. A classic strat/50's shape doesn't really come across to me as something you could call a pit bull original design.

Just my 2c...

keloooe
14-04-2013, 01:45 AM
Maybe a semi-hollowbody Strat????

adam
14-04-2013, 01:54 AM
Quote from stui on April 13, 2013, 10:42
Looks nice, but I was just hoping for a little more originality with the body. A classic strat/50's shape doesn't really come across to me as something you could call a pit bull original design.

Just my 2c...

I agree Stui, but I want a balance between something traditional and something original. Any chance you can play with a Trad Strat shape and make it... unique?

keloooe
14-04-2013, 01:58 AM
Quote from keloooe on April 13, 2013, 10:45
Maybe a semi-hollowbody Strat????
Adam, My idea ^
The shape would probably have to be changed a bit though, kinda like Wokka's Tank Strat

stui
14-04-2013, 02:01 AM
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 10:54

Quote from stui on April 13, 2013, 10:42
Looks nice, but I was just hoping for a little more originality with the body. A classic strat/50's shape doesn't really come across to me as something you could call a pit bull original design.

Just my 2c...

I agree Stui, but I want a balance between something traditional and something original. Any chance you can play with a Trad Strat shape and make it... unique?
I'll see what I can come up with

adam
14-04-2013, 02:02 AM
Yep, I like that idea Pest, it will add a lot to the price, but if that's what the people want.

Stui, here's a couple of designs which have simple mods that produce a unique look:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/B2D/Guitars/brensaxe.png
http://www.kappi.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/guitars-no10.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSajO9ADH54wxZDk3FSyJs0foYrsBwzo RIDwdHR6MQeFanFyjtVNg

I like the second one.

WeirdBits
14-04-2013, 02:03 AM
I think Pablo is on the right track. If you want a Strat, Tele or LP then you get one (or a copy), so a Pit Bull signature guitar should be something different. But, the shape still needs to be somewhat familiar, otherwise it won't sell. In reality, most 'non-standard' shapes will only appeal to a small segment of the market. That's not what we want here. I agree that a modified Strat shape is the way to go: versatile, comfortable, practical, and generally familiar. And, it should have the potential to really show off a Wudtone finish. It has to be a guitar that you not only want to look at and be proud of building, but also that you *want* to play… I mean, really want to play. As such, it should also be capable of a wide variety of sounds and suit a wide range of music styles.

As far as price/quality I think we should be looking at $200-$250 range, if possible. If someone wants a cheap kit they can go for the standard clones, and uber high-end should be special order. I also think there are two types of players: those that want a tremolo and those with their sanity intact. As such, I think the signature guitar should have a set body shape but be offered in two versions.

To continue with Pablo's example, I think this is the perfect type of shape and style for what we should be looking at:
http://www.ubersonic.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Setius-Gothic-red.jpg

It should have: good tone wood (ideally Ash or Mahogany) body, a nicely figured (preferably slightly arched) cap and bound edge, no pickguard, rear routed, maple neck with rosewood fretboard (more robust and versatile), quality tuners with 3 per side (less cramped than 6 inline) and a uniquely shaped Pit Bull headstock… something that matches the body nicely, without being outrageous. Black hardware would probably be the most versatile.
Optional: with or without fretboard inlays (dots, trapezoid, or other - something unique?) maybe?
Builders can then finish their creation with, ideally, their choice of Wudtone, or alternatively choose to stain, paint, or whatever.

Imagine something like the image above, but in these two versions:

Version 1
String Through with low sitting TOM bridge (stable tuning, great sustain, unusual but not outrageous).
Twin Humbuckers with 4 conductor wiring.
Rear routed controls.
Volume, Volume, Tone controls, with push/pull pots giving coil-split for each pickup on the volumes and phase switching on the tone.
3-way lever switch (combined with the pot switching gives huge range of sounds), optional 5-way super-switch for even more options (series/parallel etc).
Bone nut, preferably stained dark.
Strat-style recessed oval jack plate (more robust and less risk of damaging the finish than just a recessed jack), or side mounted jack plate.

Version 2
Floyd Rose style tremolo and locking nut, or maybe constant pivot? (I think FR would sell better).
HSS format with coil-split on bridge Humbucker.
No pickguard, and surrounds/rings for the single coils that can be optionally fitted (i.e., nice clean routs that can be left exposed).
Rear routed controls.
One Volume and one Tone pot, with push/pull on volume for coil split on bridge Humbucker.
3 mini switches instead of a lever switch, allowing each pickup to be turned on/off individually. Optionally, have mini on-off-on switches giving on/off/out-of-phase options for each pickup.
Strat-style recessed oval jack plate (more robust and less risk of damaging the finish than just a recessed jack), or side mounted jack plate.

And, for the disadvantaged among us… lefty versions via special order ;)

Both versions would offer a huge variety of tones, be versatile enough to suit a wide range of musical styles… and, if built with care and patience would be a joy to play, hear and look at.

That's the type of guitar that I"d like to see as the Pit Bull signature axe… and I'd buy the string-through twin humbucker version without fretboard inlays ;)

(and then I'd probably give in and build the tremolo version as well, damn it !)

keloooe
14-04-2013, 02:04 AM
OOOOOHHHHHH YES YES YES!!!! that 2nd pic looks GREAT Adam!!!!!!
We should also have certian decals that could have a few special names on it or signatures on decals??? Just a thought....

EDIT: Maybe have Pit Bull Guitars as a fretboard inlay???
We should all have a massive meet up and have one of those blue engineering blueprints in the middle and start discussing :P

adam
14-04-2013, 02:30 AM
You got it WeirdBits, but I would prefer just the one model, with other specs available by Special Order. So, let's start at a "Deluxe" version and, if we find it's too pricey, we can start trimming some of the bling.

keloooe
14-04-2013, 02:31 AM
Anywhere around $200-$250 will be a good price!

keloooe
14-04-2013, 02:55 AM
Here's my massive contribution:
A semi-hollow body Strat type, but modified to make it stand out from any other Strat shape (probably that 2nd pic that Adam put up that was on top of the red "Thinline" style Strat
Mahogany body, with a highly figured veneer on top (I think flame maple)
The body should be flat top, contoured back, with some good looking "triple binding" on the top
Fretboard: Rosewood or Ebony (bound to the neck!)
Inlays: Mother of Pearl (maybe have Pit Bull Guitars inlayed!)
Nut: DB, get the bone ready!
Pickups: P-90 / Bucker / P-90
Bridge: Andy's Constant Pivot Bridge
Hardware: GOLD!!!
3-a-side machine heads (gives more room to tune!)
No scratch plate to show off the top!
5-way rotary switch
Mini-toggle switch for phase shifting
Side mounted jack maybe???
Treble bleed mod


Sound good???? This was an edited version of Adam's idea, so some of it is the same!
EDIT: Sorry for the double-post!

stui
14-04-2013, 03:58 AM
2 more very dirty sketches.
The first is pretty much a strat with a big fat les paul bum.

The second is a classic shape that I tried to modify to my own taste. It's a little bit strat and a little bit Rick-ish. The problem is I could spend all day doing sketches like this, and still not be satisfied with what I come up with.
And like wierdbits, I really like the idea of a string through body as opposed to a tremolo (even though these two drawings have the latter.)
Anyway, here they are:
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/91aw4-image.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/07y91-image.jpg

adam
14-04-2013, 04:44 AM
Nice work Stui. DB is here with me and we both love the top design. DB says it's a little "bottom heavy" and this could be resolved by making the bottom perfectly symmetrical with the top.

I guess we just need to see this drawn up in CAD now...

stui
14-04-2013, 04:55 AM
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 13:44
Nice work Stui. DB is here with me and we both love the top design. DB says it's a little "bottom heavy" and this could be resolved by making the bottom perfectly symmetrical with the top.

I guess we just need to see this drawn up in CAD now...


Thanks! The top one was my favorite too, I thought it was a good compromise for those who like fenders vs those who like gibsons. I agree it does look a little bottom heavy, but as I said before, it was a dirty sketch. Unfortunately I can't draw this up in CAD, my resources don't stretch that far :(

pablopepper
14-04-2013, 06:10 AM
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 13:44

I guess we just need to see this drawn up in CAD now...



This is something I can do. It might take a few days as I'm a bit busy atm, but let me know what you need and I can get it done.

GlennGP
14-04-2013, 06:24 AM
I really like where this is going, with great contributions from a range of regulars.

It's tricky, balancing wish-lists, affordability, desirability, point of difference ... but this is now getting nice and close. The idea of a PitBull "signature" design is really good, but for it to be at all worthwhile, it's got to be affordable.

I actually liked Stui's second sketch, being close to the middle pic Adam posted earlier, but I recognise the Strat/Les Paul cross-over-ness going on with the favoured first one. I just wonder if it's a bit close to the existing PBG-2. Not that that's a bad thing, but the body shape exists - with different routing, that shape could be made to serve the purpose we're driving at. Something else to consider, I suppose.

adam
14-04-2013, 07:31 AM
Hey Pablo, thanks, if you can do something like this (below), which I did quickly by combining a tech drawing of a Strat with a Les Paul, and leave the bridge and controls to be added as we decide.

DB and I like the idea of a reversed headstock, but there's some consensus for 3 a side or 4/2 a side, which we also like. Maybe everyone can agree on a headstock before you start the drawing. Or we can order them with the headstock blank... without machine head holes??


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/z49fj-LESTRAT.jpg

dingobass
14-04-2013, 09:32 AM
Quote from adam on April 13, 2013, 16:31

Blank headstock..... = more jobs for DB :P

keloooe
14-04-2013, 09:36 AM
At least ya get something else to do!!!

WeirdBits
14-04-2013, 10:08 AM
I'd be concerned about not pre-drilling the headstock, as I suspect many amateur builders would find it quite difficult to drill 6, 4 or even 3 accurately aligned machine head holes... and that would not be a good way to start a kit. Unless, of course, DB wants to spend all his time drilling and shaping headstocks.

On a side note: reverse headstocks are an abomination and should never been seen, discussed or even considered. The only time an upside down headstock is acceptable is if you are Hendrix playing a righty strung as a lefty ;)

stui
14-04-2013, 10:16 AM
Quote from WeirdBits on April 13, 2013, 19:08

On a side note: reverse headstocks are an abomination and should never been seen, discussed or even considered. The only time an upside down headstock is acceptable is if you are Hendrix playing a righty strung as a lefty ;)


I have to admit, I'm not a big fan of reverse headstocks either. Would much prefer a 4/2 or 3/3 headstock. 4/2 would be a point of difference to the other kits.

keloooe
14-04-2013, 10:41 AM
4/2 sound awesome! Will definitely set this thing out from other Strats in another way!

Gavin1393
14-04-2013, 11:10 AM
No reverse headstocks.....

Gavin1393
14-04-2013, 11:15 AM
What may be really nice is to position the Pitbull guitar as the goto standard when folk are looking to get more serious about their guitar and guitar building hobby.
This is why I think having a Coil splitting capability or reverse polarity will be good. Combine this with a sexy guitar body and neck and it will be a guitar that everyone will want after trying their hand at some of the standard options.
some nice idea's coming out of the discussion.

dingobass
14-04-2013, 11:17 AM
Yep, I like the idea of a 4/2 headstock.

All of our kits are either 3+3 or 6 a side. A 4/2 combo will be one point of difference that will add to the uniqueness of the PBF 1...

Hows that for a name Adam? the Pit Bull Forum 1..... :D

She who must be obeyed WITHOUT EXCEPTION has thrown in a great suggestion, how about a red coral stone inlay logo on the headstock?

dingobass
14-04-2013, 11:21 AM
Sigh.... Coil split.... I feel like I have created a monster by posting the article on how to! 8O

WeirdBits
14-04-2013, 11:39 AM
Quote from dingobass on April 13, 2013, 20:17
[...] how about a red coral stone inlay logo on the headstock?

I like the idea of a coloured headstock inlay, but you immediately potentially limit the finish and colour options that would work with it... which restricts the customer. Perhaps a more viable option would be to include a custom Pit Bull insignia/logo on the truss rod cover (engraved or printed)? That way you can have something that shows it is the Pit Bull signature model, but that the customer can simply change it if they want something else?

stui
14-04-2013, 11:45 AM
Quote from WeirdBits on April 13, 2013, 20:39
I like the idea of a coloured headstock inlay, but you immediately potentially limit the finish and colour options that would work with it... which restricts the customer. Perhaps a more viable option would be to include a custom Pit Bull insignia/logo on the truss rod cover (engraved or printed)? That way you can have something that shows it is the Pit Bull signature model, but that the customer can simply change it if they want something else?


I second that.

MikeL
14-04-2013, 12:05 PM
Photoshop FTW 8-)

Here's a rendering I put together, nice bit of wood with the body created by mirroring the bottom of a strat... Keeps the balance nice and the scallops could also be mirrored.... The head also looks the same either way up.... Yes, I've developed a guitar that suits lefty's as well as all you other weird guys.... :P


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/08390-Image3.jpg

stui
14-04-2013, 12:16 PM
Nice concept, but I can't say I'd be tempted by a perfectly symmetrical body. Maybe it's just me, but I like the bottom cutaway further back than the front.

dingobass
14-04-2013, 12:36 PM
I agree with the cover plate idea.... But Guys, a little help here! Miss Fiona has spoken and I will never hear the end of it :P

adam
14-04-2013, 02:35 PM
DB, sorry, no coral stone inlay in the headstock.

Ok, I'm sensing that's a firm No on the reverse headstock. I'm cool with that. I like the idea of a 4 and 2, perhaps with our own headstock shape. Start sketching people..

Yes, we should do the PBG tag on the truss rod cover, nice idea.

This is developing nicely folks and there's no hurry, so we can take our time to be sure we get something we all like.

MikeL - whatever we come up with will be available in Lefty as well. We never leave a member behind!

stui
15-04-2013, 10:47 AM
One final dirty sketch for your consideration. I know there's not a massive difference between this and the LP/strat, but the cutaways are a little bit thicker and more pointy.
I've also put in a semi hollow version if that's something anyone would be interested in.

This is my last dodgy sketch I promise :D
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/53757-image.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/5o33u-image.jpg

adam
15-04-2013, 10:58 AM
Nice work again Stui, I like the Ricky style hole over the semi-hollow body idea... could just be a bit of a cavity underneath (I'm think of the price).

I think someone was working on some CAD drawings of the LP/Strat idea, so let's see what they come up with.

If we can agree on a basic body shape then we can then start addressing other specifics (pickups, bridge, etc).

keloooe
15-04-2013, 09:00 PM
Quote from dingobass on April 13, 2013, 21:36
I agree with the cover plate idea.... But Guys, a little help here! Miss Fiona has spoken and I will never hear the end of it :P
RUN TO MELBS!!! hehe...
This kit should have decals with signatures of certain people maybe???
This is not a Strat anymore, It's a Les RickenCaster!!!!

Bass Guy
15-04-2013, 11:43 PM
I am loving the 4+2 headstock alignment. Just like my EB Morse!

WeirdBits
17-04-2013, 02:44 AM
Quote from stui on April 14, 2013, 19:47
[…] This is my last dodgy sketch I promise

Not dodgy at all. In fact the body shape in the top sketch, particularly the horns, is very reminiscent of my beloved Westone Thunder I (version 3, light Oak colour)) (http://www.westone.info/cats/83/p6.html), that I regrettably sold in the mid '90's (endless, endless, endless regret). The shape was familiar, but slightly different, and very comfortable with nice contours and shaping. Laminated Ash, Maple and Walnut body with Maple neck and Rosewood fretboard. Gorgeous looking, endless sustain and never went out of tune (brass nut, brass saddles and string-through with one-piece string ferrule/retainer block), thin neck that was a joy to play, and coil-split on the humbuckers. Really great guitar, but I was never entirely happy with the sound… but I think that was more an issue with the operator. As much as I loved it, I don't think I truly appreciated how good it was until long after I sold it. If I could buy it back tomorrow, I would.

Looking back at the entire 1983 Westone catalogue (http://www.westone.info/cats/83/index.html) it actually has some amazing stuff. Again, it's familiar but different with some cool twists… ah, the 80's. Anyway, if the Community kit ended up with a body like the Thunder I, but with a 4/2 headstock… I wouldn't be complaining ;)

I can't find the pics of my own treasure, but here's a few google'd ones that show the shape, contour and features (the first is a Thunder I, while the latter are a Thunder Ia - the same but with active electronics):


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/g3tq5-thunder-I-441920extraLarge.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ka982-thunder-Ia-3240806875_0ecae6bf50_z.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/r5285-thunder-Ia-3241642328_f83d356773_z.jpg

wokkaboy
17-04-2013, 02:54 AM
Scott,
that Westone thunder looks amazing, a Pitbull kit of similar shape with 4/2 headstock would be the ducks nuts for sure. Never seen one till now and fell in love with the shape and wood finish in mili seconds !
Only if time travel was possible you could go back and unsell ur Thunder axe !

stui
17-04-2013, 02:58 AM
Huh. Never seen or heard of Westone before, but you're right, the thunder is a very similar shape to the sketch. I wouldn't be complaining either if the pbg community kit turned out a similar shape to that.

GlennGP
17-04-2013, 03:06 AM
Scott, that design is pretty close to the mark. I like it a lot.

I also enjoyed browsing the 1983 catalogue! Taking into account the 1983 exchange rate and inflation (but not shipping and relative cost of materials), that guitar would still only retail for A$550.13! A blinged-up Pitbull Guitar can come in at not much less than that. I think there's something in that for all of us.

Taker185
17-04-2013, 08:26 PM
I'm loving the ideas on this. My preference at this moment is pablo's black and red beauty! How on earth would you stain it like that? Along with the 4/2 pegs and Adams HSS black pickups. I'm not sure whether it was a string through though, but it should be. With a signature pbg head stock and decaled truss rod cover.

But, let's see what else comes up. I was fairly impressed with the thunder shape

pablopepper
18-04-2013, 09:10 AM
Okay, so I've had a crazy busy week so far but I made a start on this file today. First of all, there are a LOT of ideas going on here that I've tried to condense into something workable. Front stratocasteresque, back les paulish, Stui's more angular cutaways and slightly cinched waist. This is the first attempt I've been happy with and seems like it will balance okay, not weigh a ridiculous amount and has the whole 'classic but original' vibe. I'm basing it on a strat scale length and non angled neck. Just an outline for now, let me know what you think. (Sorry for the crappy photo of a screen thing).
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/4q50c-image.jpg

keloooe
18-04-2013, 09:14 AM
Pablo, that looks great!!!! I think that we can leave the body as-is for now, maybe work on the other stuff a bit?

stui
18-04-2013, 10:16 AM
Looks good Pablo, the only things I would change would be to make the bum slightly fatter, and slightly shorten the horns, to give it a more Thunder-like appearance. That's just my opinion though, and it's what I was going for in the rough drawings

dingobass
18-04-2013, 10:45 AM
There are some really great ideas flowing here guys! Keep 'em coming!

GlennGP
18-04-2013, 11:34 AM
Quote from stui on April 17, 2013, 19:16
Looks good Pablo, the only things I would change would be to make the bum slightly fatter, and slightly shorten the horns, to give it a more Thunder-like appearance. That's just my opinion though, and it's what I was going for in the rough drawings

+1

pablopepper
18-04-2013, 09:13 PM
Edit: I am a fool. Please ignore.

pablopepper
18-04-2013, 09:16 PM
Alrighty, shorter horns, fatter bum. Check. I like it better now.
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/3y656-Photo-18-04-13-8-03-52-AM.jpg
Edit: And in correct orientation now!

GlennGP
18-04-2013, 09:20 PM
That's looking the goods, Pablo. Glad you like it better, too!

stui
18-04-2013, 11:14 PM
That's almost exactly what I was thinking of Pablo. Nice work! 8-)

wokkaboy
18-04-2013, 11:34 PM
Quote from stui on April 18, 2013, 08:14
That's almost exactly what I was thinking of Pablo. Nice work! 8-)

Yes well done Pablo I'd buy an axe of that shape for sure. What drafting program are you using ?

pablopepper
19-04-2013, 12:43 AM
Quote from wokkaboy on April 18, 2013, 08:34
What drafting program are you using ?

CorelDRAW. Probably not the most efficient program, but it's what I'm most comfortable with.

wokkaboy
19-04-2013, 12:52 AM
Quote from pablopepper on April 18, 2013, 09:43

Quote from wokkaboy on April 18, 2013, 08:34
What drafting program are you using ?

CorelDRAW. Probably not the most efficient program, but it's what I'm most comfortable with.

cool no worries Pablo, well you have done an excellent job of the design shape, think the majority of the community should like it and hopefully go to the factory to cut it !
Spose now we have to work out the rest of the axe neck material, headstock shape and bling used

keloooe
19-04-2013, 12:52 AM
ya could try using Google Sketchup, allows a 3D perspective of anything, as it is mainly used for architecture!

stui
20-04-2013, 12:29 AM
So I've changed my mind re: hardware colour. I initially thought gold, but on further reflection, I think black would be better. Reasons being, while gold brings a certain amount of bling to a guitar, it's a soft metal, and gold plating tends to wear away quickly, and tarnish easily. Black chrome is still a little bit different from the bog standard chrome gear, and will wear a lot better than gold. It looks very cool against a spalted cap too, as proven by the LP1-S.

Just my 2c.

P.S. I'm still actually a fan of chrome gear too, and wouldn't be upset if the hardware ended up being chrome.

GlennGP
20-04-2013, 01:32 AM
It's very easy to get plain chromed hardware, so I wouldn't worry about the supply black hardware as standard. Onwards!

Was there a consensus for a H-S-S pup layout?

Trem or no trem?

String-through set up? Or even strat-style block?

pablopepper
20-04-2013, 02:38 AM
I'm all for black hardware, but not for a spalted top, flame all the way!

HSS is probably a good pickup config, something for everyone. And I thought the consensus was for a tuneomatic style bridge to a string through body thingee.

What about controls? Master volume, master tone, 5-way switch? That's what I'd choose or is that too simple?

stui
20-04-2013, 02:53 AM
Quote from pablopepper on April 19, 2013, 11:38
I'm all for black hardware, but not for a spalted top, flame all the way!

HSS is probably a good pickup config, something for everyone. And I thought the consensus was for a tuneomatic style bridge to a string through body thingee.

What about controls? Master volume, master tone, 5-way switch? That's what I'd choose or is that too simple?
I guess you and I will have to disagree on the spalted vs flame Pablo. I love a good spalted top. There's something classy about it imo.

I'm a big fan of the string through setup on the prs kit, looks sexy and I've never been a massive fan of tremolos. HSS is fine for the pickups, the pup arrangement is not a massive deal for me.

GlennGP
20-04-2013, 03:47 AM
Quote from pablopepper on April 19, 2013, 11:38
I'm all for black hardware, but not for a spalted top, flame all the way!

HSS is probably a good pickup config, something for everyone. And I thought the consensus was for a tuneomatic style bridge to a string through body thingee.

What about controls? Master volume, master tone, 5-way switch? That's what I'd choose or is that too simple?

I think you're right - master, master, 5 way switch. string-through body thingee. Jury was out on trem, though.

I've never been a big user of tremolo, so I'd be fine without. That said, I'd probably just leave the arm off. But if there's a consensus for no trem, then I'd go with a more stable bridge.

Other opinions?

stui
20-04-2013, 04:34 AM
I'm still quite keen on the idea of a semi-hollow setup, Rick/tele thinline style. Not necessarily full semi hollow, but a cavity up the top. Not sure what anyone else thinks?

keloooe
20-04-2013, 06:20 AM
I agree with Stui, at least a semi-hollow!

theabomb
21-04-2013, 06:12 AM
PRS style body.

prs bird style inlays on either ebony or maple fingerboard for something different.

mahogany body with a quilted maple top

2 humbuckers

prs style stop-tail/wraparound 1 piece bridge

I know it just sounds like a PRS but I think they make simplicity look amazing

stui
21-04-2013, 08:31 AM
Quote from theabomb on April 20, 2013, 15:12
PRS style body.

prs bird style inlays on either ebony or maple fingerboard for something different.

mahogany body with a quilted maple top

2 humbuckers

prs style stop-tail/wraparound 1 piece bridge

I know it just sounds like a PRS but I think they make simplicity look amazing
Why don't you just buy one of the PRS style kits then? :?

theabomb
21-04-2013, 12:46 PM
Quote from stui on April 20, 2013, 17:31

Quote from theabomb on April 20, 2013, 15:12
PRS style body.

prs bird style inlays on either ebony or maple fingerboard for something different.

mahogany body with a quilted maple top

2 humbuckers

prs style stop-tail/wraparound 1 piece bridge

I know it just sounds like a PRS but I think they make simplicity look amazing
Why don't you just buy one of the PRS style kits then? :?

haha fair call stui, I guess that was my long way of saying I don't like the inlays on either kit and neither has a quilted maple top... maybe a hollow-body PRS?

I guess I'd be keen to see a alder or ash strat too.

Aside from that there are already far too many kits I want to buy

QuarterFlip
05-05-2013, 02:12 PM
Body: Double cut LP
Hollow body, like a Tele Thinline.
Ebony fretboard, mahogany set neck,
2 P90's/HSH (That would be awesome on a LP)
Tune-o-matic and stoptail
22 frets and 24 inch scale length
Simple chrome/nickel hardware, scratchplate

http://i.imgur.com/ez5RsUm.jpg

What the hell have I made?

keloooe
06-05-2013, 01:11 AM
I've seen one or two of them around before, and they are pretty noice!
Maybe have Humbucker / P-90 / P-90 arrangement with phase switching, neck P-90 reversed to create a bucker in the 2nd position, and finally a tone cap selector???

There's my 2c for ya!

stui
12-05-2013, 05:25 AM
Not much movement in this thread recently. Have any executive decisions been made regarding this kit yet?

adam
12-05-2013, 06:40 AM
Hey Stui,

Yes, we're still going to do this, but it's more of a long term plan. I thought I'd leave this thread open for a while and just see what people come up with.

Doing a completely original body design; like the Strat/Les Pal hybrid, sounds fun, but it will be hard to get exactly what we want, unless someone can put together some proper blueprints.

That's why I tried to steer things in the direction of picking an existing body shape, that we could make our own with some mods; like a thinline "Strat" shape, with flat top, binding and f-hole and some single coil/humbucker arrangement.

If this thread completely dies out, I'll look at ways of firing it up again.

stui
12-05-2013, 08:02 AM
If it goes down the path of a currently existing guitar, I do like the idea of a double cut LP junior with a Rick style cavity. Would look pretty cool.

I'm just sick of the eleventh billion strat variations. Most copied guitar ever...

(Gets ready for tomatoes to be thrown at me)

Brendan
12-05-2013, 08:38 AM
You could go with something with a long neck and 4 strings - oh wait, that's a bass.

Rick style bass anyone? :D

Brendan
13-05-2013, 11:08 AM
Rickenbacker 4003 (http://www.rickenbacker.com/model.asp?model=4003) - mono / stereo output (http://www.rickenbacker.com/pdfs/19507.pdf) solid ash / paulownia body with routing on the back to give full efect to the wudtone...

Thru neck (maple?) with a contrasting stripe on either side of the neck.

Oooh...

Brendan
13-05-2013, 12:10 PM
Other thing I was thinking - if we're talking a premium kit here - why not drop the pots, caps and wiring. If you're building a premier guitar, are you not going to want to replace them with CTS / Alpha pots, Orange Drop Caps and shielded wire? Could keep pickups as they are a big expenditure if you go brand name. Alternatively, a bulk order of CTS / Orange Drops / wire as part of the Community Guitar maybe?

tcjbrown
30-05-2013, 02:20 AM
I'm all for a thinline strat style, especially if it has an ebony board!

rhay
30-05-2013, 09:08 AM
Quote from tcjbrown on May 29, 2013, 11:20
I'm all for a thinline strat style, especially if it has an ebony board!

For what it's worth that sounds great to me too.

Although a hi-bred instrument that is unique to Pit Bull would seem better.

Here are some (very rough) diagrams of LP/Strat body mock ups.
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/3knq2-lestrat.JPG

Bass Guy
30-05-2013, 09:26 AM
I am loving the second diagram. Pit Bull's own Steve Morse type guitar!

rhay
30-05-2013, 09:39 AM
Didn't spot that myself, but yeah it is a bit like the Franken-Tele!

I also have a version of the first design with the neck single coil angled. However it seems just a bit too odd.

I'm not sure how the Strat Trem bridge and roller tune-o-matic combo would work, but seems a novel idea and increases the strenght of the LP/Strat mash-up.

The other idea I had was to place a classic Treble/Rhythm switch which single-coils the bridge p-up and/or does some out-of-phase selection.

jase
30-05-2013, 11:58 AM
Great idea. Im all for getting a guitar and then making it work. So timbers wise id be happy with what the masses wanted. Pick up wise humbuckers that are split coil. Cant lose. Cheers

tcjbrown
30-05-2013, 08:41 PM
The second one looks pretty cool, but will the angle from the strings from the trem to tuneomatic be a problem?
Would have to be a roller bridge too.

keloooe
30-05-2013, 08:53 PM
Yeah, the bridge would have to be a roller bridge, it looks pretty cool though!!!!
I agree with TCJ, a Thinline Strat w/ Ebony fretboard and maybe even the block inlays that the Gibson Custom series has on their boards???

rhay
31-05-2013, 04:00 AM
I did try to show it as a roller Tune-o-matic (forgot to angle it too).

I have done a little bit of physical mapping and I suspect that the rise and tilt action of the classic "synchronized" tremolo may cause problems. The Bigsby and other Vibramate style bridges typical stretch the strings on the same fixed plane.

I would love to do a Thinline Strat, if there was one available it would be on my list as next. However I can't help but feel that the PitBull guitar should be a custom shape - possibly even more individual than just a mash-up (like my pics).

17-06-2013, 05:46 AM
OH BOY
Maybe a Super Strat with a semi-hollow body?
Alder would be nice, maple neck that gets slightly thinner after the 12th fret
22 frets
Rosewood fingerboard
Only fret inlays being the 2 at the 12th fret
Contoured heel
Tummy cut
Carved top
I think it could be a 'made to order' kinda thing too so the customer can choose to have a flat/carved top or a figured top
Tune-o-matic bridge or a hardtail strat
Drop down menu that lets you choose what colour hardware
H-S-H with coil tapping
5-way switch
vol/tone
Another drop down menu that lets you choose between black/white/cream binding

stan
05-08-2013, 10:25 AM
flat top es 175 design with single cutaway at the top:

http://www.themusiczoo.com/images/2-25-11/Gibson_ES-175_Wine_Red_03244722_1.jpg

without the bottom cutaway.

Do it as a solid body, not an arch top
With a cutaway cavity at the top.
Remove the jazz style tail piece
Split coil pups
Remove the pick guard

THIS headstock:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Ministar_Castar_Travel_Electric_Guitar_-_headstock.jpg

adam
08-08-2013, 10:18 AM
Just wanted to drop in and say this project is still on, but there's been no "YES" moment from the Community. I think we should just leave this thread going and see what comes up, there's no hurry... it's not like we're short on options.

I'm also wary about ordering something that the factory hasn't made and ending up with a large quantity of kits that won't fit together properly.

DanMade
08-08-2013, 10:39 AM
Are we able to set up a voting pole in a new thread.

We could have a pole to choose a configuration, ss, sss, hsh,hh ect. And one to choose a bridge type.
Once we have that worked out, then anyone could submit body designs to suit that configuration. Then we vote for a design.

Of course we'd have to have enough people commit to purchasing to make it worthwhile for PGB.

Dunno, just throwing ideas out.

Willybomb
22-03-2016, 09:26 PM
Looks a little necro threadish to bring this up again, but the Seymour Duncan forums do this every now and again, resulting in the Brobucker and the Crazy 8 pickups. From memory it was done by poll...

kimball492
23-03-2016, 11:50 AM
Body Shape
Tele with tummy cut and contoured top

Body Wood
Mahogany or Alder with quilted/spalted top.

Neck
Maple with ebony fretboard contoured heel

Frets
22

Pickups
Humbuckers with switch for single coils

Bridge Hardtail.
Gotoh or wilkinson because of price

Grover/Wilkinson/Gotoh tuners

Colours maybe DB could do a satin red and black Dingo tone

stan
23-03-2016, 12:01 PM
a bit like a Chapman ML3 with dual HB...
so this type of thing... i like it

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/28/be/60/28be6070f98fb2849800826cabc39074.jpg

kimball492
23-03-2016, 12:42 PM
Yeah love that Chapman Stan and that's the colour too satin red,the satin black also looks great.nice body shape too

Nickosaurus
23-03-2016, 05:40 PM
24 frets... :D

Willybomb
26-03-2016, 10:28 PM
24 frets? Yes please.

Dedman
27-03-2016, 01:40 PM
why not combine this thread with the baritone thread and do a Pitbull baritone special?

Tweaky
07-04-2016, 06:16 PM
I think the best option is for somebody to go through all the posts in this thread, find the common denominator of wood type requested, narrow the style down to 3 body shape options, solid and hollow

Do 3 virtual CAD drawings of what might be, then put them to a vote.

That will narrow things down considerably and hopefully a great guitar could come out of it, or, as they say, a Camel is a Race horse designed by a committee.

Otherwise this thread could go on so long it loses impetus .

ihasmario
29-05-2016, 09:44 AM
I think something simple is best.

Thinline strat with the F hole looking like a dingo head?

I dunno - I'm not really in the market for anything that isn't a PJ bass (I guess) right now so it doesn't affect me.

euroa guitars
05-06-2016, 09:54 AM
Off sick today with dreaded man flu... cough cough
So read through entire thread, seems to be that a strat or tele or at least a double cutaway is preferred also semi hollow with feature grain updated electronics or none at all with or without pickguard...

My suggestions for what its worth and I think Fender released it last year as a solid body. would be a double cut tele thinline bound with feature grain 24 frets no electronics
Fender korea (I think) released something similar ie tc90 in the 2000s

Suggestion #2 only cause I like old stuff, what about a 1943 style tele proto type with snakehead and single pickup?

Brendan
05-06-2016, 02:21 PM
I think if it were solid body (no f hole) double cut (option 1), snakehead (option 2) with no pickguard / frisbee with a rear cavity, personal preference would be for a Bigsby (haven't got a guitar with one), though stringthrough would be good as well.

stan
05-06-2016, 02:57 PM
double cut thinline looks good, contoured/shaped body maybe?

nitroburner1000
03-09-2016, 10:40 PM
So ive just read through the thread and was wondering if i can put my 5 cents worth in.....

In my mind for it to be an exclusively Pitbull community guitar it would have to be unique in some ways.Firstly this wouldnt be an entry level guitar but for medium to advanced builders. Multiple options, this will help it sell to a wider audience and so you can make your guitar unique.

1) Pitbull logo inlay or fret markers, something to id it
2) Unique shape but not so out there that it wouldnt sell.
3) Quality hardware so it sounds great
4) Wiring setup option for splits, series, either push pulls or switches
5) Options of flame or spalted tops for stain and basswood for painting
6) Options for hardware colour and different neck timber finishes
7) Setup so you can add or leave off a pickguard

Heres some shapes i would love to see, they are cool looking and unusual.1365113652 13653 13654