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Gavin1393
15-01-2013, 04:10 AM
Here is my 335 in Azure Lagoon. No comments necessary other than to say this is the first coat!
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/rao9r-335.gif

keloooe
15-01-2013, 04:36 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on January 14, 2013, 13:10
Here is my 335 in Azure Lagoon. No comments necessary other than to say this is the first coat!
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/rao9r-335.gif
She is one beauty of a guitar!!!! Nice to see you went out with your money and bought the most expensive kit!!!

adam
15-01-2013, 05:14 AM
Lovin' your work Gavin.

GlennGP
15-01-2013, 05:17 AM
Very nice!

GGP

Gavin1393
16-01-2013, 12:07 AM
Thanks Guys for the encouragement!

Fired up the second coat as a result! Shown below!

Front and sides and hanging out with some of it's Pitbull brothers and sisters!
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/wr008-Photo12.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/k4g6z-hanging.gif

keloooe
16-01-2013, 12:22 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on January 15, 2013, 09:07
Thanks Guys for the encouragement!

Fired up the second coat as a result! Shown below!

Front and sides and hanging out with some of it's Pitbull brothers and sisters!
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/wr008-Photo12.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/k4g6z-hanging.gif
Wudtone never ruins the grain in the guitar whatsoever!

Gavin1393
22-01-2013, 03:57 AM
Third Coat....oh my! :D
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1sf8l-deep4-335.gif

keloooe
22-01-2013, 04:42 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on January 21, 2013, 12:57
Third Coat....oh my! :D
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1sf8l-deep4-335.gif

My jaw just hit the floor...

Gavin1393
24-01-2013, 06:31 AM
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif

GlennGP
24-01-2013, 06:42 AM
Not my colour, but I'm sure someone out there's getting hard looking at this! Nice work, mate.

GGP

dingobass
24-01-2013, 07:29 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on January 23, 2013, 15:31
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif


Holy *censored, censored, censored* that looks *censored* amazing!

adam
24-01-2013, 07:32 AM
What DB said.

Edit: I have to admit Gav, I was a bit worried about this one after the first couple of coats, I thought it looked a tad garish. BUT, after this last coat, the colour has really settled and it looks absolutely sensational. When you've put this altogether you'll have to bring it down to Pit Bull Guitars HQ so we can take some glory shots.

Gavin1393
24-01-2013, 07:55 AM
Absolutely Adam! I had to get some critical advice from my Cabinet Maker mate. There were 'polished wood' issues where the Wudtone was not absorbing into the wood at all. Once I got the metal / brass brush and the fact that I dont need to have a completely smooth finish to pain on through my thick skull...it just soaked up the colour and the result it plain to see.

I have tried to chronicle the build so that others who come after me using the same product can see the start and end result. Us pioneers have endured the stress, doubt and angst of watching it come together into its lusturous glory. There were times I looked at the progress and went "No, this doesn't look like it's working - but being a stubborn 'ol bast...d I perservered. Hopefully these pics will encourage others to do the same if ever they are in doubt or at least act as a reference point for them.

DB! Thanks for editing your wonderful comments, off course being able to read minds as Callum has discovered has it's advantages. Good that you kept it clean for the youngsters! :p

14-02-2013, 06:10 PM
Quote from Gavin1393 on January 23, 2013, 15:31
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif

Hi Gavin, not seen this colour used on a semi before. Looks lovely. Have you used all the base coat or just the deep colour coat?

Gavin1393
14-02-2013, 08:14 PM
Quote from andypwudtone on February 14, 2013, 03:10

Quote from Gavin1393 on January 23, 2013, 15:31
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif

Hi Gavin, not seen this colour used on a semi before. Looks lovely. Have you used all the base coat or just the deep colour coat?


Hi Andy,


Ran out of the deep colour....i would have liked to have given it one more coat. This picture is ONLY the deep colour coat!

The base colour has had four coats now, but the picture was too bloody shiny to post....so will take another picture when I get back to Perth. Currently in Melbourne!

keloooe
14-02-2013, 09:35 PM
Quote from Gavin1393 on February 14, 2013, 05:14

Quote from andypwudtone on February 14, 2013, 03:10

Quote from Gavin1393 on January 23, 2013, 15:31
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif

Hi Gavin, not seen this colour used on a semi before. Looks lovely. Have you used all the base coat or just the deep colour coat?


Hi Andy,


Ran out of the deep colour....i would have liked to have given it one more coat. This picture is ONLY the deep colour coat!

The base colour has had four coats now, but the picture was too bloody shiny to post....so will take another picture when I get back to Perth. Currently in Melbourne!
Gav, see if we can meet today!!! I'm in the south east of Melb, a d we can hang at a music shop!!!! If you can, search Sky Music and I can get there

Gavin1393
15-02-2013, 03:03 AM
Quote from keloooe on February 14, 2013, 06:35

Quote from Gavin1393 on February 14, 2013, 05:14

Quote from andypwudtone on February 14, 2013, 03:10

Quote from Gavin1393 on January 23, 2013, 15:31
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif

Hi Gavin, not seen this colour used on a semi before. Looks lovely. Have you used all the base coat or just the deep colour coat?


Hi Andy,


Ran out of the deep colour....i would have liked to have given it one more coat. This picture is ONLY the deep colour coat!

The base colour has had four coats now, but the picture was too bloody shiny to post....so will take another picture when I get back to Perth. Currently in Melbourne!
Gav, see if we can meet today!!! I'm in the south east of Melb, a d we can hang at a music shop!!!! If you can, search Sky Music and I can get there

Hey Callum, i'm involved in a Self Managed Superfund Conference, so while i'd far rather hang out in a music store, i regrettably have to stay behind at the conference, otherwise i can't continue to work in this sector! The things you have to do and sacrifice when you are an adult! :(

keloooe
15-02-2013, 03:13 AM
Quote from adam on January 23, 2013, 16:32
What DB said.

Edit: I have to admit Gav, I was a bit worried about this one after the first couple of coats, I thought it looked a tad garish. BUT, after this last coat, the colour has really settled and it looks absolutely sensational. When you've put this altogether you'll have to bring it down to Pit Bull Guitars HQ so we can take some glory shots.


I'm not bringing my finished kit to Pit Bull Guitars HQ (when I finish it!), instead, im taking it down to Sky Music, get a pic of it in front of a massive stage amp!!!

adam
15-02-2013, 06:39 AM
Gav, we should start shipping our first orders of Wudtone very soon. I'm sure DB could put a little extra Azure Lagoon (n/c) in your order if you want another coat or two...

Gavin1393
15-02-2013, 07:17 AM
Quote from adam on February 14, 2013, 15:39
Gav, we should start shipping our first orders of Wudtone very soon. I'm sure DB could put a little extra Azure Lagoon (n/c) in your order if you want another coat or two...
Thanks Adam, i'm not sure if putting deep colour over base coat will work? Maybe Andy can confirm? If it will work that would be great!

adam
15-02-2013, 07:28 AM
Ahh, I should have read the whole thread...

15-02-2013, 08:08 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on February 14, 2013, 16:17

Quote from adam on February 14, 2013, 15:39
Gav, we should start shipping our first orders of Wudtone very soon. I'm sure DB could put a little extra Azure Lagoon (n/c) in your order if you want another coat or two...
Thanks Adam, i'm not sure if putting deep colour over base coat will work? Maybe Andy can confirm? If it will work that would be great!

Hi Guys, I really like this project. It must be the tease factor of something that looks , "oh not sure" , and then becomes an amazing, head turning guitar. (signets become swans as they say!)

I want to do one like it.

To answer. the difference between the deep colour coat and base coat is the concentration of dye. Essentially, when the wood is bare ( and most porous) it will soak up most finish (always depends on the type/ nature of the wood). The higher concentration of dye in the deep colour coat, makes it a bit thinner(so it penetrates,colours better) and this all helps to fix a deeper colour at the start. The other major factor is the preparation of the wood. As mentioned before it really doesn't want sanding to finely, 250 grit is plenty ( maybe even less for something like Black Magic Woman) . After a first deep colour coat, the wood will be less porous, it may still be a little porous so use another deep colour coat, how much it soaks in will be less ( just depends on the wood again). After two/max 3 deep colour coats, you probably want to shift to using base coat and not deep colour coat. The wood is less porous and so you are now really applying colour enriching ( and protection) coats on top of what is already applied. So to help this the base coat is a bit thicker in consistency. This makes it easier to apply a slightly thicker coat which with the dye in the base coat enriches the colour further.

SO in this case , I think a couple more Azure Lagoon base coats will enrich the depth of the colour to improve (it doesn't need much by the look of it) . Try applying the base coat with a microfiber cloth, this can help to apply a slightly thicker even coating. Not too thick though. The product slow dries, self levels but always, more thin coats. ( with a light rub with fine steel wool to key) is better than less thicker coats. Another tip is to pour out some finish, leave it to thicken a bit ( can't say how long depends on temp etc) , mix to ensure smooth consistency and then apply.

So in summary , once the dyes are fixed with deep colour coat (when the wood is most porous) . Base coat and its thicker consistency is more able to enrich the colour on top.

keep us posted, chrs Andy Preston

15-02-2013, 08:34 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on January 23, 2013, 15:31
Fourth and final coat, only because I have run out of the Deep colour.....
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0p697-335-001.gif

Hi Gavin , be nice to see a pic of this with a dark background ( me thinks, it will show the intensity of the colour and how blue is really is better) , all that lush vegetation may well be skewing it a tad turquoise.)

We tend to put guitars under a skyight ( so daylight from above ) and shoot horizontal with the guitar angled a fair bit. see examples

eg here of a burst we are doing, this is after 2 blended deep colour coats ( Saffron, Hot Auburn), videos going up here on bursting http://www.wudtone.com/forum/?topic=how-to-do-a-burst-with-wudtone

Hope you don't mind me asking but would love to see a similar pic of this guitar.
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/qt131-2nd-coat.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/7pryr-face.jpg

Gavin1393
15-02-2013, 11:50 AM
Will give the photo a go this weekend.

GlennGP
15-02-2013, 09:21 PM
Enjoying this thread, particularly the detailed input from Andy on applying Wudtone finishes and how to shoot the products. Very much appreciated.

Also, that is one delicious looking ES, mate. The finished product should be jaw-dropping!

Gavin1393
15-02-2013, 11:12 PM
Quote from GlennGP on February 15, 2013, 06:21
Enjoying this thread, particularly the detailed input from Andy on applying Wudtone finishes and how to shoot the products. Very much appreciated.

Also, that is one delicious looking ES, mate. The finished product should be jaw-dropping!


Thanks Glenn,

She is a beautiful combination. Colour looks amazing. Since putting on a few coats of the base coat it really shines! Really glad I purchased this kit.

wokkaboy
19-02-2013, 05:31 AM
Hi Gavin,
the piece of wood you cut to fit inside the neck/pickup pocket, is that glued in or how does it stay secure when you pick up the guitar ? I have just started an ES and wondered about how to attach the wood handle

Also Andy from Wudtone I must have read the instructions incorrectly, I've been applying the base coat 1st and then the deep coat, is there a problem with this method ?
cheers Wokka

19-02-2013, 08:31 AM
Quote from wokkaboy on February 18, 2013, 14:31
Hi Gavin,
the piece of wood you cut to fit inside the neck/pickup pocket, is that glued in or how does it stay secure when you pick up the guitar ? I have just started an ES and wondered about how to attach the wood handle

Also Andy from Wudtone I must have read the instructions incorrectly, I've been applying the base coat 1st and then the deep coat, is there a problem with this method ?
cheers Wokka

Hi Wokka, It's only a problem if you now wish the colour was deeper. Here is why.

Essentially, when the wood is bare ( and most porous) it will soak up most finish (always depends on the type/ nature of the wood). The higher concentration of dye in the deep colour coat, makes it a bit thinner(so it penetrates,colours better) and this all helps to fix a deeper colour at the start. The other major factor is the preparation of the wood. As mentioned before it really doesn't want sanding to finely, 250 grit is plenty ( maybe even less for something like Black Magic Woman) . After a first deep colour coat, the wood will be less porous, it may still be a little porous so use another deep colour coat, how much it soaks in will be less ( just depends on the wood again). After two/max 3 deep colour coats, you probably want to shift to using base coat and not deep colour coat. The wood is less porous and so you are now really applying colour enriching ( and protection) coats on top of what is already applied. So to help this the base coat is a bit thicker in consistency. This makes it easier to apply a slightly thicker coat which with the dye in the base coat enriches the colour further.

Hope that helps.

Gavin1393
20-02-2013, 01:44 AM
Quote from GlennGP on January 23, 2013, 15:42
Not my colour, but I'm sure someone out there's getting hard looking at this! Nice work, mate.

GGP

Here we go - based on Andy's request and photographic directions!



http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/395ip-Photo10.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/h8c5e-Photo6.jpg

Gavin1393
20-02-2013, 01:46 AM
Hi Wokka,

The fit of the wood at the neck is simply 'tight'. No screws or anything to hold it in.

stui
20-02-2013, 02:20 AM
Quote from Gavin1393 on February 19, 2013, 10:44

Quote from GlennGP on January 23, 2013, 15:42
Not my colour, but I'm sure someone out there's getting hard looking at this! Nice work, mate.

GGP

Here we go - based on Andy's request and photographic directions!



http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/395ip-Photo10.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/h8c5e-Photo6.jpg
Only one word necessary.


Wow.

keloooe
20-02-2013, 03:37 AM
Quote from stui on February 19, 2013, 11:20

Quote from Gavin1393 on February 19, 2013, 10:44

Quote from GlennGP on January 23, 2013, 15:42
Not my colour, but I'm sure someone out there's getting hard looking at this! Nice work, mate.

GGP

Here we go - based on Andy's request and photographic directions!



http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/395ip-Photo10.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/h8c5e-Photo6.jpg
Only one word necessary.


Wow.
That is the very best way to describe that Stui...

Wow.

Gavin1393
20-02-2013, 04:02 AM
..and it has only had two base coats....a few more coats to go.

03-03-2013, 11:15 PM
Quote from Gavin1393 on February 19, 2013, 10:44

Quote from GlennGP on January 23, 2013, 15:42
Not my colour, but I'm sure someone out there's getting hard looking at this! Nice work, mate.

GGP

Here we go - based on Andy's request and photographic directions!



http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/395ip-Photo10.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/h8c5e-Photo6.jpg

Thank you, lovely, look forward to seeing this ready to play.

Gavin1393
19-03-2013, 12:23 AM
Quote from andypwudtone on March 3, 2013, 08:15
Thank you, lovely, look forward to seeing this ready to play.

And here it is in the "Ready to Play" state. Sounds sensational too!
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/0hfqd-Photo16a.jpg
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/rc65a-Photo4.gif

Gavin1393
02-04-2013, 08:24 AM
Finished
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/m5m2u-April-12013-030.JPG
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ogvg2-April-12013-031.JPG
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/iv70r-April-12013-032.JPG

Gavin1393
02-04-2013, 08:27 AM
This is the ES-1G (335). Built almost completely from a Standard Pitbull kit. Painted with ColumbiaAzure Lagoon from Wudtone on the body and 'clear' on the neck and finished in extra-gloss-no aging.
I have used the standard Humbucker Pickups but significantly upgraded Capacitors to orange drops and inserted to 150 Resistor and .01 mf caps too! Tricked out the standard humbuckers with gold trimming and swopped out the plastic nut for a brass one! Sustain! The fretboard is completed with Dr. Ducks Ax Wax for good measure!
No pickguard on this model. Inserting the wiring was challenging and I have documented those challenges elsewhere in the forum. I have wanted a '335' for sometime and this is going to be an enduring favourite guitar of mine.


http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/n7729-April-12013-032.JPG
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/5wcu0-April-12013-033.JPG
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/88mcn-April-12013-034.JPG

Gavin1393
02-04-2013, 08:38 AM
This is the ES-1G (335). Built almost completely from a Standard Pitbull kit. Painted with ColumbiaAzure Lagoon from Wudtone on the body and 'clear' on the neck and finished in extra-gloss-no aging.
I have used the standard Humbucker Pickups but significantly upgraded Capacitors to orange drops and inserted to 150 Resistor and .01 mf caps too! Tricked out the standard humbuckers with gold trimming and swopped out the plastic nut for a brass one! Sustain! The fretboard is completed with Dr. Ducks Ax Wax for good measure!
No pickguard on this model. Inserting the wiring was challenging and I have documented those challenges elsewhere in the forum. I have wanted a '335' for sometime and this is going to be an enduring favourite guitar of mine.

http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/zj4dj-April-12013-032.JPG
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/qj8rw-April-12013-033.JPG
http://pitbullguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1y62z-April-12013-034.JPG

WeirdBits
02-04-2013, 10:33 AM
Nice. Great choice with the fittings too - but, curse you, you're making me want to unbox my ES kit and start on it right now! I do love a brass nut though... may have to consider one for mine.

dingobass
02-04-2013, 10:45 AM
BONE for TONE!!!!!!!! he he ehhh. I will shut up now.

Gavin1393
02-04-2013, 11:07 AM
Brass for KICK-ASS!

keloooe
02-04-2013, 08:27 PM
Quote from dingobass on April 1, 2013, 19:45
BONE for TONE!!!!!!!! he he ehhh. I will shut up now.
What about TUSQ??? Seriously,they are the best with a Bigsby B70!!!

handy
09-01-2014, 07:35 PM
@Gavin - great looking guitar!
I've read your and DB's comments on how to clean up the binding but how did you get the F holes on this one looking so good?
They look like they have white binding on the edges too?
Keen to hear what you did

Gavin1393
09-01-2014, 10:14 PM
Hi Handy

The 'f' hole binding came already set in place with the guitar. I simply followed our procedure to keep them nice and clean!