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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Barden View Post
    I'm just wondering if (apart from the obvious colour deviation from expected) that it's the worst case of glue seepage I've yet seen on a PBG. The veneer should have easily absorbed the stain easily and evenly if it wasn't a glue issue.

    Can you take some more photos from a bit closer of the finish?
    I'll send more pics today. It looked to me like glue spots too. Maybe a bad batch of stain but It looks to me like it's kind of adhering to something other than the wood. I tested on a 2x4 pin and the stain went on OK with no splotches on the first application.

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    Thank all who replied for your invaluable help. After consulting with a local luthier he determined that it isn't the glue that's showing but the stain I used. It did not absorb well in some places but went pretty deep in others. In other words sanding back is not an option. He agreed that applying a good quality nitro after a scuff sanding would work without bleed through. Thanks for the advice Dingobass. I chose a solid color pretty close to what I was originally shooting for ( That Aqua Blue is non-existent without some considerable mixing and air brush skills and just wanted to share some pictures of the progress so far and ask a question. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	19421. The SeaFoamBack shot shows the wood grain showing through the paint which I'm liking alot. Do any feel that I'll need a sanding sealer before I apply the clear coat?

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    Well that is certainly an immense improvement on the before shot. Great save DB and Moose!
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    Too late for sanding sealer now. As I see it, you've got two choices. Either you make a feature of the grain and now use a dyed grain filler in a complimentary colour of your choosing to highlight the pores. You'll have to then sand the filler back flat, which will probably need at least one more coat of nitro before it's thick enough to take sanding without any sand-through. You can then clear coat over that.

    Otherwise you simply apply a lot of clear coats. It will follow the ups and downs of the grain and pores, so you'll need quite a few coats before it's thick enough to sand flat (if you want a really nice glossy finish).

    Or you could take an easier way out and copy some of Gibson's lower-range finishes and use a satin finish clearcoat and leave it 'as is' (excluding fixing any obvious runs), which will tend to mask the uneven finish from the grain/pores and save having to add so many extra clear coats, plus the cutting back and polishing. It saves an awful lot of manual labour, which is why Gibson can make them so (relatively) cheaply in the US.
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    great rescue indeed!
    I'd personally go with clear coats, either leave them as they come as Simon suggested (only need a few coats to seal it if leaving the grain to show) or lightly sand between coats to level and eventually fill the grain. On my ES I didn't sand at all until I got to the clear coats.
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    Great suggestions! I've seen a few ESs with the pores showing nicely and I figured as Simon pointed out that I can just keep clear-coating until I can sand flat. (That's gonna get kinda expensive) I only have four cans of Clear. How many coats would you say are needed (including the neck before i'm flat? I'm not saying money is no object but my wife says "Finish it" cuz I'm in too deep to back out now.

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    I would have thought that 4 cans of clear should be enough (providing they are the larger 13oz/400ml size cans). You could probably do a pre-flattened finish guitar with 2 cans, and you might get by with only 3. The neck should be made from maple and so be smooth (plus you have a rosewood fretboard which you won't spray), so you won't need to put too many coats on that.

    Whilst they should be going on 'wet', keep the coats relatively thin and don't be tempted to spray to much on at once. That way leads to runs and a lot of annoying repair work which slows you down. More thin coats are better than a few thick ones.

    If you plan to scrape the binding, rather than leaving it all green, then do it now, before the paint hardens too much - which makes the scraping a lot harder.
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    Since I'm using a Stew Mac kit I asked and they suggest I apply 2 or 3 coats of Sanding Filler before I apply the clear coat to fill in the porous wood and get it ready to accept the clear coat. But I'm really trying to keep the grainy look under a nice clear coat finish so I'm thinking your suggestions are right on the money. My thinking and research says that the Sanding filler is gonna cloud the look I'm trying to get here.
    I applied five coats of clear to the neck and it's looking pretty good for an amateur. (See Pics). Am I ready to start polishing here or do I wait the 6 weeks to let the clear coat harden? Somewhere down the road I want to white wash inside the F-Holes but I can't think of a way to do that. Maybe I should've done that first, huh?
    If you take a look at the pic SeafoamScrapedBindingTop you can see where the masking tape over-ran the bare wood. Since StewMac doesn't sell markers in Seafoam do any have a DIY repair for that that doesn't require re-taping/spraying?
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    You can wet-sand the clear coat back flat after a couple of days, but don't go too high on the grit numbers. I'd stick to around 320 maximum at this stage. For a high gloss you want to get the finish so that there are no shiny dimples in the finish when you look at the guitar at a shallow angle up to a light (a small angle will create shadows and reflections in any small dips which you wont see with a light shining directly on to the finish). If you think you have sanded quite a lot of finish off but still have large dimples, then it's time for more clear coats and then repeat the process. Once the whole surface is flat and obviously all sanded, then leave it for at least two weeks for the finish to harden before finer wet sanding and then polishing. The longer you can wait the better the result will be, but sanding increases the surface area of the lacquer and so helps trapped solvent to evaporate more quickly.

    If you can get a small bottle of the seafoam lacquer then you can always touch it up with a paint brush (and use cellulose thinners to clean the brush). Nitro vapours are still harmful so wear a vapour mask when doing this. I'll be doing some manual touching-up on my ES-3 where I lost track of the binding edge and scraped too much paint away. I'd still recommend taping up the edge though when you do this unless you have a very steady hand. You're really better off getting some paint/lacquer on the binding and then scraping the excess off an hour or so after painting (so the paint isn't too hard and it comes off easier).
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